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Mary Higgins tells Dáil committee she regrets way her ‘comments were presented’

Robust questioning: Members of Dáil Public Accounts committee, Alan Farrell, Catherine Connolly and David Cullinane. Photograph: Cyril Byrne

Robust questioning: Members of Dáil Public Accounts committee, Alan Farrell, Catherine Connolly and David Cullinane. Photograph: Cyril Byrne

The chief executive of Caranua has withdrawn “unreservedly” comments in which she described survivors of institutional abuse as “these people” who were “damaged” and some of whom would “never be happy”.

Mary Higgins faced robust questioning at the Dáil Public Accounts Committee on Thursday about survivors’ experience of Caranua and her comments about survivors in this newspaper and on radio last month.

Caranua is an independent statutory body, established under legislation in 2012, to manage €110 million pledged by religious congregations to enhance abuse survivors’ lives. Survivors can apply for grants for services under headings such as health and wellbeing, housing support, and education, learning and development.

Survivors however described last month being “re-traumatised” by their dealings with Caranua. They complained of long delays in getting a response from the organisation, being told without warning they could no longer apply for services, and being spoken to without respect.

While guidelines published in May 2014 said there was no limit on what survivors could apply for, in July 2016 a cap of €15,000 per applicant was introduced.

In an interview with The Irish Times on March 20th, Ms Higgins made a series of comments, including: “It suits a narrative of the ‘big, bad State’ and the ‘big, bad religious congregations’ . . . If people feel [disrespected], it’s not because we are nasty or horrible. You can’t control people’s experience of what we do for them . . . We have to face the fact, the damage that has been done to these people is so deep that it doesn’t matter what anybody does. It’s never going to be enough to satisfy them and make them feel cared for, loved, honoured or whatever else.”

In an answer to Independent TD Catherine Connolly at the PAC, Ms Higgins said she regretted the way in which her comments were presented.

“I understand that it may have caused offence and if it did I am very sorry. What I said was not quoted exactly.”

The Irish Times however has a full recording of the interview with Ms Higgins and she was quoted accurately.


Asking Ms Higgins about comments she had made on RTÉ’s Liveline programme, also on March 20th, Ms Connolly said: “I really don’t want to insult survivors by repeating [\IT], because it’s terrible. But this language was used. ‘These people are damaged. The hole in them cannot be filled by what we do unfortunately’.”

“Did you use that language? Did you say that?” asked Ms Connolly.

“I don’t know definitely that I said that,” said Ms Higgins. “But I do think it’s the reality that the damage that was done to people who were placed in institutions when they were children is profound and it is life-long and part of the damage causes people to not expect other people to want to do something good . . . If you think we are the face of the State, the State that did this to people, it is understandable that people would be angry with us.”

“Are you withdrawing those comments?” asked Ms Connolly.

“Yes, I withdraw those comments. Unreservedly I withdraw those comments.”

Ms Connolly asked about Caranua writing to applicants to tell them it had their case complete and their file closed. Ms Higgins said cases had to be completed because it was not possible to keep all applicants’ files open indefinitely. She said all applicants should be advised they have a right to appeal the decision and how to do so, and this was not included in such letters.

In a report to the committee, the Comptroller and Auditor General said he had identified weaknesses in the Caranua board’s control over grant payments in 2014 and 2015.

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Comments like this sadly are true survivors should have this taken into consideration at the Redress board and no survivor should have to go cap in hand to Caranua. The Irish state and the Catholic Church damaged survivors so bad and repeated this abuse with a pittance in compensation and a top up my good FRIEND would laugh at
How's things with you William
Nice to see the CEO taken to task, just proves what all of us here have being saying for years. Her position is untenable, her comments about victims and her justification of the shocking treatment of victim's by caranua show in no uncertain terms that she should of never been involved with caranua.
Email I just sent to the and the ombudsman.
Hi if you have been keeping abreast of what's happening with caranua, in the media, in the dail, in the PAC it should be clear to you that we were being seriously messed about by caranua. Its a shame that you couldn't find a way to help us when we advised you of these issues last year. I guess at the time it wasn't a high profile issue, our rights as a person were being trampled all over. Unless abuse survivor's have less rights than your average citizen.
Best rgds Michael

Well done Micheal!

Together WE  Are Stronger!!

Well they can't say its all in our heads now, I'm going to stay on the and the ombudsman until we get an apology for just dismissing our issues and refusing to act on our behalf, because you can be dam sure if it was a populist issue they would be falling over them selves for media time and social media exposure.

Go YOU!!!

So after reading, and watching the committee to enquire into Caranua with the CEO telling us that things have improved, I call them Wednesday, 12 April 2017, guess what?? It was an answering machine, left a message asking them to contact me, today is Tuesday, 18 April 2017, allowing for the bank holiday they still have not contacted me, I followed up my forceful call with an email to them requesting some form of communication, again nothing, so this morning I decided to call them again, and yes you are right it was an answering machine... Could somebody please tell me what the hell is going on?????????
John O'Brien
West Yorkshire

How does Higgins get away with this, barefaced lies to PAC and media yet a survivor can't even get to talk to someone in caranua, and this non service is costing us over a million a year.



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