The Shame of Ireland
Yesterday I posted a notification of a Briefing on the "Statutory Trust Fund" to be held in Manchester by a "Group" Manchester Irish Community Care - Survivors of Abuse.
I did this after a telephone Conversation with one of the workers there; (my account of the telephone conversation is in my email reply bellow)
when I got home Yesterday I was shocked to received the following email >
To: Robert Northall
Subject: Manchester Meeting
I believe you rang the office earlier today regarding the SOA North West Group Meeting on Saturday?. I reiterate what the worker told you, the meeting is private to The North West Survivors as clearly stated on
Irish Survivors in britain events section:
Events and Training
DATE EVENT TITLE CITY VENUE
Saturday, September 14th North West Survivors Group Meeting Manchester Irish World Heritage Centre
At the survivors request they are the only people allowed to attend,you claimed you would be inviting "others", there will be no others we already have 230 members asking questions & do not have time for any more questions, we only have an hour & a half as there are two functions on in the venue & we have other business to attend to. Naturally their business is confidential hence members only,
I'm sure you can email your questions to Ms Higgins,if you need answers to anything you may use this email if you dont know hers & I'll pass them on.I hope you do not mind me contacting you but I did not want you wasting a four hour journey as you would not gain entry As you are not a survivor I do not understand why you feel you have the right or knowledge to ask questions when the actual survivor's are perfectly capable of doing so themselves & would bitterly object to anyone doing it on there behalf, the doors are manned only members allowed.
From: Rob Northall [mailto:firstname.lastname@example.org]
Sent: 10 September 2013 09:26
Subject: Manchester Meeting
I would like to take this opportunity to introduce myself.
My Name is Rob. Northall, my wife was incarcerated in St Finbarrs Industrial School.
I first became interested in the issues that Survivors' face when there where rumours floating around that there was to be extra compensation for Survivors; these rumours where perpetuated by "Survivors Groups".
Many of the Survivors I befriended through Paddy Doyles Website the God Squad where opposed to the establishment of the Statutory Trust Fund as they had also heard these rumours from "Survivors Groups". They also had disappointing experiences of the Education Fund and saw this as being as useful to them as it was?
I rang the office that you referred to and had a very pleasant conversation with a woman whose name I did not take note of.
The conversation was very amicable.
I told her that I was that admin at a website for Survivors of the Industrial Schools, that where from as far away as Australia, Canada France etc.
I also told her that they where very keen to find out more about the Statutory Trust Fund, and as I could not attend myself, that I would let them know. In the hope that a member near enough to travel would like to attend.
I said that I would post it to the Website, and she said that if anyone wanted to attend that she would like me to notify her so that the catering arrangement could be updated.
I thought rather wrongly it seems that Survivors’ of the Industrial Schools would be made welcome?
I also asked if written questions could be submitted. And she could not see any reason why not!
As the Worker at the Centre was busy at the time that I rang I said I would email her later.
I posted the Event to the website and notified All Members.
Imagine my shock when I received your email!
Bellow is a Screen capture from the Website you quoted?
There is nothing that states it is a Members Only Meeting? I was not notified of this during what I recalled to be a very amicable conversation with your colleague.
I am deeply disappointed that your organisation will not welcome Genuine Survivors to your meetings and found the tone of your email quite hostile towards me?
May be I am being over sensitive?
I was rather hoping that in this day and age of modern technology that the Meeting could be “Live Streamed” or Recorded so that those unable to attend because they are in Australia, Canada etc. could glean some information?
Survivors not affiliated to any “Group” feel extremely disenfranchised and are desperate to find out more.
I would be grateful if you would let your members know that there is a Private Social Network for Survivors of the Industrial Schools their Family and friends, and that they will be made welcome at the “Shame of Ireland”, as would you!
One thing I would like to know is how you got my email address? I would also be interested to know what yahoo group you used to send it? (Just curious)
Thank you for taking the time to read this email.
I look forward to your reply!
Take care and Best Regards
Links to the “Shame of Ireland” can be found @ http://bit.ly/PKY46f This includes multiple locations. I would be grateful if you would share this with your members?
I have to say that I am absolutely appalled by the lack of Courtesy that this Organisation have shown to myself and Survivors that are outside of their "Group". I look forward to reading your Comments?
So this meeting is going to be manned by Bouncers, only open to the immediate members of this elite group ! it seems !
What's the world coming to when Survivors outside of this area are not welcomed, sounds like a them and us situation ! Another Group in Cork City adopt these same principles ! If your connected closely or family, your in with a shout !
As for being told you are not a Survivor, that is out of order, you are the spouse of a Survivor, and for this woman to say that Survivors can speak up for themselves is total bull s**t, there are many Survivors, who for various reasons, like disability, or illiteracy, cannot manage to communicate their concerns, and rely on others to speak for them, and assist with there affairs.
When it came to my attention that a fellow Survivor ,who because of being illiterate, knew nothing about the Redress board, or his entitlement , I made it my business to speak and write for him , and succeed in getting him his Redress. There are many like this chap out in the world, unaware to this day. What are the various groups doing to locate these sad folk and assist them ?
Apart from representing his Surviving Wife, Rob enables Survivors to share and communicate with this great website , and which is no doubt appreciated by all its members, and which gives us a platform to air our grievances !
Keep up the good work Rob, that woman Anne is looking after her members, not Survivors, or their spouse's ! As correctly stated by Maurice.
i can not praise Rob too highly James.
Interesting that the "Wages for Staff of the Statutory Trust Fund to be paid from Interest of the Money held in Trust"
This Should be Accrued to Benefit of Survivors.
I heard this from someone who attended the meeting.
I have been promised minutes by a "friend" which I will share here as soon as I receive them.
Sorry William for any confusion, haven't had time to verify the meeting on the 9th.
Did say I would dig out the link to the Manchester fiasco; so I shared it with all Members.
Will try and verify the meeting soon, I'll share it then ;-)