The Shame of Ireland

The Shame of Ireland

The issue of valid membership has been raised by Members once again; both here; in private email to myself and sadly in the public domain i.e. Face Book.


I don’t mind discussing the website how it is run whether through Private messages or Personal email or here on the Website; but I do feel it is inappropriate to discus it in the Public Domain where those who are not Members can join in the Conversation.


Obviously my preferred method is in this discussion, as Private Messages and Email are time consuming and could be seen as Secretive? but I will not ignore Private Messages on this.




The Shame Of Ireland Stands for Democracy Transparency and Inclusion for ALL!


Without these fundamental principles then we are no better than the Secretive Undemocratic and Exclusive Survivors Groups we all complain about?


With the best will in the world we can never know the “True Identity” of any Member?


The original Defining Aims and Objectives can be Read by <Clicki...

If you have Never Read the then I think it may be a good Idea to do so? As it may help you in deciding who Members Should be?


Items 2 and 3 of this Discussion are reproduced for your convenience Bellow as they Deal with Valid Membership

Item 2
"This Group Membership is mainly drawn on form the Survivors of the Industrial School System, Their Spouse/Partners, Children and Grand Children; Friends are Welcome and so is anyone that agrees with the Aims and Objective of the Shame Of Ireland"

Item 3
Voting rights can be restricted depending on the Nature of the Subject being Voted on as the Main Aim of the Group is to "Represent the Views of the Survivor" This is to be discussed in a separate Topic!


Item 2 is what we are discussing here; it is however interesting to note that;


None of the Aims and Objectives Have Ever been Ratified or Accepted!!


I would like to point out that through Several Discussions over some period of time that this in not a “Group”. It is a Membership!


I am only the Administrator of the Website which I refuse to Moderate. But will in Extreme Circumstances intervene and take action, as fairly as I can?


The Website does not belong to me but to the Membership!


As a “Membership” we are all equal; there is NO Leader; NO Spokesperson and No Hierarchy.


I welcome your input into this discussion of “Valid Membership” and Hope that we can come to a Consensus of who should be Members and what is expected of Members?


Please feel free to comment bellow? Thank you in Advance!


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are all requests to join the site accepted?

There are several Categories that people can Choose when Signing up for the Website


Partner /Spouse of Survivor

Child /Grand Child of Survivors

Friend of Survivors

Individual Sharing Aims and Objectives

There is short "About Me" Question that I use to decide

And they Have to Accept the Terms and Conditions of the Network Host

If the About me is Empty or Vague I send a message which usually gets ignore = No Entry

If they tick NO to accepting Network Terms and conditions = No Entry

This one is waiting for approval!

As you can see it is not always easy??

Will Message but pretty sure I wont get a reply!!

So will probably delete it next week.

thanks for your responses Rob.

normal also comes with it's challenges!

could the conspiracy of silence under threat of action against them go some way to explain why members may not be as talkative as they could otherwise be?

Only the Front/Home Page of the Website is visible to NON Members, a Landing Page could be put in-front of this so No Content is visible??

What this site needs is MORE MEMBERS! That are Survivors of the Industrial Schools.

A Recruitment Drive and then we can work out how to represent Ourselves (by Ourselves I mean the Membership)

Everyone that is a Member has a valid Membership,as defined above so we need to redefine membership collectively.

This site belongs to the Members; I am only the Administrator

at least this is a Locked Website that only Members can see except for the Home Page, have suggested a landing page over the Home Page to make it completely private?

I totally agree with your comment Cathriona, and you dont need to be a Genius to figure out WHO these people are.

Most Members contributed to  Paddy Doyles site  The God Squad which was open for all to see?

Some only read it. It is much the same here?

i have long believed that with most if not all sites / forums more people read than write. 



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