The Shame of Ireland

The Shame of Ireland


As you can see below they are starting to debate issues Close to Our heart!
The link below is form this week in the Dail.

http://bit.ly/93Hg13

If you live in the Republic then you should write, email, Telephone or Meet You "Elected Representative"?

Below is an email sent to Kathleen Lynch; she was speaking up for the Magdalene's!!


 

From: Robert Northall [mailto:rob.northall@ntlworld.com]
Sent: 18 October 2010 18:09
To: 'kathleen.lynch@oireachtas.ie'
Subject: Your Support?

 

Dear Kathleen,

 

I have today read your contribution to the Dáil debate; Thursday, 7 October 2010 via http://www.kildarestreet.com/debate/?id=2010-10-07.155.0&c=297#c297
I can only commend you for your support of the “Maggies”! They have a worthy and just cause!

 

The Consultation Mary Coughlan Refers to is with Government Paid Representatives of Survivors Right of Place "Et All" I understand that Noel Barry is no longer in residence however the Per Capita Funding that they Use as their mandate is still in Place?

 

This I believe is part of the Moral Bankruptcy of the Government; I hope that you don’t think that I am making Light but the Magdalene’s are in quite a strong position The R.IR.B. Act took advantage of the situation at the time and paid lip service to Compensation, Michael Woods assured his place in Heaven by protecting the Catholic Churches Breach of Contact over the care of Children! (Had the Irish Government sued on this alone and had ALL the Monies Refunded
there might have been a better Deal for Survivors of the Industrial School System?).

 

It is a matter of time before they will have to admit culpability!

 

The depravation of the Human Rights of the Maggies in the European Court of Human Rights would be an excellent Publicity Vehicle? And may bring additional pressure to bear?

 

The only reason that they started investigating the Industrial Schools is because they wanted to join Europe! Other than this
who knows; the institutions may still be running??

 

 

The Survivors of the Industrial Schools have 2 problems

 

 

  1. They have been dealt with! And signed an agreement to that end!!!
  2. They have been Represented by Right Of Place “ET ALL” So their voice was ignored for years!

These People hold lists that I cannot access; we are under 50 in membership at the moment but growing slowly?

All the Support organisations are “Jealously Guarding” their Government Cash, WE are divided by what unites US! The Government have used their funding Wisely!!

 

God Bless the Struggle of the Maggies!

 

I hope that will not make the same mistakes that have befallen the Survivors of the Industrial Schools?

 

It leaves such a bitter taste!

 

The Shame of Ireland is currently under development; we are testing “Live Voting” The first “Live Vote” is

 

I Agree with Adding the Survivors of the Magdalene Laundries to the Shame Of Ireland Objectives?

 

When I first started on YahooGroups they were not included, when I moved to Facebook I added them; now we have our own site I need the Members to vote to accept the change and to ”VOTE”  adopt the Aims and Objective I have foisted uponthem!

 

Democracy is hard work, But we will get there!

 

I gave Fergus O’Dowd the opportunity to embarrass Brian Cowen and Mary Coughlan over unanswered correspondence from Survivors; As far as I am aware he has not taken this opportunity?

 

If you feel that you would like to step where “Angels Fear to Tread” I can forward you Correspondence that will show them for what they are; it also shows so called “Survivors Groups” in their true light!

 

If you would like to know anymore about the “Shame of Ireland” or embarrass Brian Cowen (not that he needs any help)?

 

Please let me know?

 

Yours Sincerely

 

Rob Northall

Founder of the “Shame of Ireland”

I do not represent anyone as we can not vote on “Spokes people” until we have a core membership worthy of not (i.e. 100).

 

When we do we will have what no other group can deliver “Representation Without Leadership”!


I appologise for the abreviation of the Magdalenes as I now understand it is Offensive? but felt that to edit something that had already been sent would lack "Transparency"!

Kathleen Lynch is the Labour TD for Cork, if you are a constituent of hers feel free to contact her in regards to this email (she has sent a read reciept with regard to this).

If you Do write feel free to sign as a Member of the Shame of Ireland, but as I did please state that you do not Represent any one!

In future I will be signing Corespondence in this manner (but will drop the "Founder" Part; it sounds a bit to Egotistical for my liking!

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Replies to This Discussion

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From: Robert Northall [mailto:rob.northall@ntlworld.com]
Sent: 21 October 2010 15:28
To: 'kathleen.lynch@oireachtas.ie'
Subject: Can you provied information?


Dear Kathleen,
As usual I and others are following the Political Debate regarding the Redress Unit, the Magdalene’s and the Statutory Fund.

The Latest Debate was between Joe Costello and Mary Coughlan (Who seems to know exactly what Survivors don’t want and is intent on giving it to them).

The Debate can be viewed at http://bit.ly/93Hg13

There is a Question that have been asked which is below; I have no faith in getting the answer to the Question from the Redress Unit or Mary Coughlan!

“I am most interested in the figure of "895" applications rejected/refused redress and I wonder how many of these were turned down because the applicant's "institution is not listed on Schedule A of the governing legislation." Knowing that info would go some way toward realizing how many former Magdalene women (as well as Bethany survivors) were turned down for redress under the current scheme.”

Can you help in providing the Answer?

Yours sincerely

Rob Northall

AND HER REPLY!!
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From: Kathleen Lynch [mailto:kathleen.lynch@oireachtas.ie]
Sent: 21 October 2010 17:03
To: Robert Northall
Subject: Re: Can you provied information?

Hi Robert

Thank you for your email and I have submitted the PQ below.

I will contact you again when I have a response from the Minister

Regards

Kathleen

Parliamentary Question

To ask theTanaiste and Minister for Education & Science further to question
37238/10 how many people were refused redress by the Residential
Institution Redress Board each year for the last seven years because they
were not residents of institutions listed under schedule A of the governing
legislation, and if she will make a statement on the matter.

For written reply.

Kathleen Lynch



Kathleen Lynch T.D.
Constituency Office
5 Assumption Road,
Blackpool,
Cork.

Tel:021 4399930
021 4212463
Fax:021 4304358
Email: kathleen.lynch@oireachtas.ie
www.labour.ie
Email sent to Joe Costello
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From: Robert Northall [mailto:rob.northall@ntlworld.com]
Sent: 21 October 2010 17:49
To: 'joe.costello@oireachtas.ie'
Subject: Re Your P Q [37238/10]

Dear Joe,
Been reading your Written Question to Mary Coughlan on Kildare Street; and have added a comment http://bit.ly/93Hg13
To my knowledge the Consultation Period had only been publicised in “The Independent” in Ireland and another News paper in Limerick!
“The Freephone operated from 3rd August to the 27th August. We received 131 phone calls and 341 suggestions. All questionnaires were returned to the Department of Education and Skills .by the 3rd September. This is the only involvement that Barnardos had. For further information, I suggest that you contact the Department.”
Source : Clodagh Donnelly, Head of Service, Origins, Barnardos Information and Tracing Service
Survivors Live all over the world!

Many of the Survivors do not have the Education that enables them to participate in this process.
Of the 13,400 Survivor available to Canvas Opinion from the above result is appalling, other Agencies reliant on Government Money, The Federation of irish Societies in the UK Collected data; BUT Made it quite clear that it was a not about whether the Statutory Fund should exist but it was to happen regardless of their opinions!
The Survivors Groups that were Canvassed claim to represent Survivors’ they do not actually have any contact with!
Survivors Groups have unverified lists of Survivors’ that they receive per capita funding for; this is wrong in so many ways!!
I cite the Right of Place as a shining example of this!

There are 2 Petitions that Survivors are signing but no one has publicised them?
http://bit.ly/9hjMlC
http://bit.ly/aghTMc


Yours Sincerely

Rob Northall
Member of the “Shame of Ireland (Which can be found at http://bit.ly/agjWv0 )
I do not represent anyone as we can not vote on “Spokes people” until we have a core membership worthy of note (i.e. 100).
When we do we will have what no other group can deliver “Representation Without Leadership”!

P.S.
C.O.R.I. has had the opportunity of Months of Consultation over this! Yet Survivors had so little time!

It is unconstitutional for the Government to be dictated to or Consult with C.O.R.I. over the use of “Additional Compensation”!
It is enshrined in The Irish Constitution!
*Prohibition of establishment: The state may not endow any religion (Article 44.2.2).
*Religious discrimination: The state may not discriminate on religious grounds (Article 44.2.3).
Discrimination can be positive as well as negative!!!
I Though I had Posted my email to Fergus O'Dowd as you can see it was sent on the 3rd October 2010,

From: Robert Northall [mailto:rob.northall@ntlworld.com]
Sent: 03 October 2010 13:19
To: 'fergus.odowd@oireachtas.ie'
Subject: Justice must be done even though the heavens fall

 

Dear Mr O’Dowd,

I have just read the Dáil debate on the Wednesday, 29 September 2010 about Higher Education Grants - Residential Institutions Redress Scheme. I have to say that I find your stance very encouraging!

http://www.kildarestreet.com/debate/?id=2010-09-29.128.2&c=285#...

I have attached a letter that I sent to the Taoiseach only to have it passed on to Mary Coughlan to be ignored? I would be grateful if you would take the opportunity to embarrass them both for ignoring this letter; as they do all correspondence for survivors and their partners (including emails)?

 

I would like you to be aware that there are 2 petitions that may be of interest to you?

 

They both refer to the Statutory Fund

 

http://www.petitions.ie/index.php?option=com_content&view=artic...

 

The deadline of which was set to coincide with the reading of the Bill in the Dáil but I have applied to have it extended as the Redress Unit cannot or will not let me know when this is due?

 

http://apps.facebook.com/petitions/267/justice-for-irish-survivors-...

 

I am the founder member of the “Shame of Ireland” so called because Ireland is ashamed of their “Forgotten Children” (The survivors of the Industrial School System)

 

We now have a website http://shameofireland.co.uk/ and are looking for members to join; but they are flung far and wide.

 

If you want to now what Survivors want let me know and I can signpost you to Debates on these things?

 

One of the big issues on Survivors minds at the moment is the Drug Trials that took place in the Industrial Schools; and the fact that there is no investigation??

 

If you feel that you or any of your colleagues can assist in out cause please get in touch?

 

Yours sincerely

Rob Northall

 

 

http://www.kildarestreet.com/debate/?id=2010-09-29.128.2&c=285#...

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Below is an email sent today to Enda Kenny, the New Taoiseach!

For some reason the links don't work in this Document, they do in the email I sent!

The Supporting Paragraphs are Bellow!

 

Dear Mr Kenny

I am very disappointed to read that the Statutory Trust Fund and the Plight of the Survivors of the Industrial School System do not appear any where in your Document “Statement of Common Purpose”?

 

 The Labour Party made a Number of Pre election Pledges regarding this Click <Here> to Read Labours Pre-Election Commitment!

 

On the 1st of April this year you received a copy of the Petition “Justice for Irish Survivors of Child Abuse” Despite the Timing this was not an April Fools Day Prank!

 

This Petition Clearly States:

“This is another reason why the Trust Fund is not needed, and not required by the majority of Survivors for further Redress of the Victim/Survivor, and should be shared out between them in the only fair way that they have indicated , directly to them, and not by the proposed Trust Fund.”

 

It Also States:

“2) All Monies Donated by the Religious Congregations, and Intended for Survivors to be dispursed Immediately and without further delay---“

 

This Petition has 372 Signatures Click <Here> to Read the Notification of the Petition “Justic... the full Petition can be viewed online @ http://bit.ly/aghTMc

 

I would like to draw your Attention to another Petition with 341 further signatures on this topic @ http://bit.ly/9hjMlC

 

This Petition States Clearly:

We the undersigned petition to get the Statutory Trust Fund dissolved and the Money Paid to the Victims.

As you are aware the Trust Fund is to become Law and many Survivors do not wish this to happen! The Irish Government is going ahead regardless; there is also a “rumour” that the Trust Fund will replace the Education Fund making it a “Zero” advance in the Support of “Victims of the Industrial Schools This Heinous Trust Becomes Law in September! WE ARE RUNNING OUT OF TIME!

To date between the 2 Petitions that is a Total of 713 Signatures

The Previous Government stated that this Trust Fund had the Backing of Leaders of Survivors Groups.

Whilst I personally and many others have been asking that proof of Membership and their Individual Mandates be verified?

The Government Recognises the Validity of the Groups and their Leaders!

John Kelly of IRISHSOCA is opposed to the Trust Fund Click <Here> to Read John Kelly’s (IRISHSOCA) Position

Michael O’Brien “Right to Peace” and Tom Hayes of “Alliance.org” Oppose the Trust Fund Click <Here> to Read Michael O’Brien and Tom Hayes Position

Both Michael Walsh and Sally Mulready have signed a New Petition on “The God Squad” against the Statutory Trust Fund! @ http://bit.ly/9LpXP2

Michael Walsh “Right of Place” is also opposed to this Trust Fund Click <Here> to Read what Michael Walsh “Right of Place” has ...

Sally Mulready “Irish Women Survivors Support Network” also States here opinion publicly Click <Here> to Read it?

 

I am asking that on receipt of this email that you make a public announcement of what the Current Government intends to do about this Trust Fund?

 

Your sincerely

 

Rob Northall

 

More Petitions that directly affect Survivors of the Industrial School System can be accessed from the Home Page of the “Shame of Ireland” @ http://bit.ly/agjWv0

 

Shame of Ireland Stands for “Democracy Inclusion and Transparency”

We are the Shame of Ireland because the Politicians and Religious are Ashamed of us! When it is them that Should be Ashamed!

Supporting Documentation bellow!

 

Labours Pre Election Commitment

 

From: Michael Mc Loughlin [mailto:michaelmcloughlin09@gmail.com] Sent: 11 February 2011 14:55
To: albertking36@tiscali.co.uk
Subject: Labour answers

 

Hi Albert,

 

The answer to the 3 questions is Yes. Ruairi Quinn has done a lot of work in this area and our bill, we believe, illustrates our continuing committment on the issue

 

Michael

 

From: Albert King [mailto: albertking36@tiscali.co.uk] Sent: 11 February 2011 14:02

To: michaelmcloughlin09@gmail.com  

Subject: FW: Survivors Concerns and Issues

 

Dear Mr. Michael Mc Loughlin, Labour Queries Team,

 

We acknowledge receipt of your email copied below in relation to our letter “Survivors Concerns and Issues” addressed to Mr. Eamon Gilmore, TD, Labour Party Leader dated 31st January 2011 and we appreciate the fact that the Labour Party are under a lot of time pressure in getting back to a lot of people during your campaign.

 

As you may well appreciate victims of institutional child abuse know all about “being under a lot of time pressure” especially over the last 11 to 12 years dealing with the State and the Religious Orders including the Redress Board, the Ryan Commission, Solicitors, the Vaccine Trials, Education Finance Board, and many other departments in relation to “Survivors Concerns and Issues”.  

 

1. However, are you are saying in your e-mail copied below that the Labour Party will revisit the Proposed Institutional Child Abuse Bill 2009 if the Labour Party is elected as the next Government?

 

2. If the Labour Party is elected will they revisit the Proposed Statutory Trust Fund because it’s quite clear that the majority of survivors are against it in its present form?  

 

3. If the Labour Party is elected will they also revisit the many concerns and issues they have received over several years from survivors at home and abroad in relation to their complaints against the aforementioned bodies?  

 

We look forward to hearing from you in relation to these matters.

 

Albert King on behalf of Mary King ( victim of institutional child abuse).

 

Notification of the Petition “Justice for Irish Survivors of Child Abuse”

From: ThePetitionSite [mailto:petitions@earth.care2.com]
Sent: 01 April 2011 04:47
To: rob.northall@ntlworld.com
Subject: Results For the Petition You Signed, JUSTICE FOR IRISH SURVIVORS OF CHILD ABUSE

 

Dear Robert,

On Oct  3, 2010, you signed the petition, JUSTICE FOR IRISH SURVIVORS OF CHILD ABUSE. The petition author, IRISH SURVIVORS OF CHILD ABUSE, has now closed the petition and sent this message to all its signers:

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Hi,

I would like to sincerely thank everyone who signed this petition in support of Survivors of Child Abuse-(those Abused in Catholic Institutions.)

The amount of signatures was 372. This will be sent directly to the Irish Prime Minister today.

Kindest regards,

The Survivors.

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John Kelly’s (IRISHSOCA) Position

 

From: irishsoca [mailto:irishsoca@eircom.net] Sent: 19 August 2010 19:52
To: Albert King
Subject: Re: ATTENTION!

 

Mr King

We both want the following

  1. No to a Trust
  2. Victims to receive all the money not one fifth
  3. Victims to make their own decisions 


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Michael O’Brien and Tom Hayes Position

 

Email Received from Michael O’Brien 17th November 2010

 

"Right to Peace have, and still continue to
fight, for all monies giving to the Goverment must be shared amongest the
survivors as a matter of fact, I, Tom Hayes, and Christy, are meeting
with members of Dail eireann tomorrow the18th Nov 2010 to call on them, and
asking them to call the goverment to give all monies to the survivors,
 and that is only one of many meetings that I have arranged. So it is
unfair to say I am not working for survivors.  Michael O Brien"

 

Michael Walsh “Right of Place”

 

Incidentially, you dont need our 1750 members to sign. In all our meetings when we canvassed this issue they indicated that they are against this trust fund in principle therefore you have the majority of our members demand that this trust fund be rejected in its present form, so in fact, you have an additional 1750 votes with my signiture!
On behalf of Right of Place Second Chance we wish you continued success.
As a survivor if I can be of assistence in the promotion of issues that support survivors then I will.
Michael Walsh
Chairperson Right of Place Second Chance

 

Source - http://www.paddydoyle.com/statutory-fund-petition/ to read Full Transcript

 

Sally Mulready of States her Reasons Clearly here

 

 

SALLY MULREADY,
Paddy

I am signing this for a few reasons.

I will be delighted to support you of course. I think you are doing something important for all of us.

Secondly, the Government, particularly Brian Cowen and Minister Coughlan explicitly said that once the proposals were drafted into a Bill they would negotiate an agreement. They have not done so.

Since the proposals were presented in April 2010, there has not been one word from any Government Minister and the Residential Redress Unit who are handling this matter for the former Government have only released information when seriously pressed to do so in Dail Questions raised by sympathetic TD's and Senators.

I am very unhappy about the way we have been misled, deceived and betrayed. Promised negotiations confirmed by Brian Cowen are actually a matter of record.
In the minutes of the April 2010(meeting with Brian Cowen) have never taken place. 

……………. (Passage removed)………….

 

So I say sign the petition and I will be encouraging ever woman in the Irish Women Survivors Support Network to sign too.

 

Source - http://www.paddydoyle.com/statutory-fund-petition/ to read Full Transcript

 

The Attached is the PDF of the "Statement of Common Purpose" I have been busy TRying to Convert it to Word Format so it easier to cut and Paste from!

It is over 60 Pages Long; and appears to have been "cobbled together" from different Documents with no Common Format or Index???

 

This is a private site and I would have no conscience about posting replies from TD's here or on an open site. I would welcome the litigation as a chance for publicity?

Me I would publish and be damned??

Attachments:

From: Robert Northall [mailto:rob.northall@ntlworld.com]
Sent: 12 April 2011 12:31
To: 'ruairi.quinn@oireachtas.ie'
Subject: formal submission of the “Petition to Dissolve the Statutory Trust Fund and have the Money Paid Directly to the Survivors”.

 

Dear Mr. Quinn T.D.

This is my formal submission of the “Petition to Dissolve the Statutory Trust Fund and have the Money Paid Directly to the Survivors”.

 

Background to the Petition

Last February news of a further “Pay Out” to Victims of The Industrial Schools abounded this news reached my wife; and this distressed her greatly!

 

My wife is a survivor of one of these institutions and the act of applying to the redress Board has opened mental wounds that she can’t close; I am sure that this is the case for the majority of victims.

 

Her Anxiety and Complex Post Traumatic Stress Disorder was triggered by this!

 

I sent Email that Month to

 

'director@oneinfour.org.uk'                                            

'info@rcni.ie'                                                                       

'info@alliancesupport.org'                        

'mayorcc@eircom.net'                                           

'ropsurvivor@hotmail.com'

 

Asking for clarification and got no replies?

 

I wrote to the Taoiseach on the 1st June 2010 and received an acknowledgement and a promise that I would receive a reply from Mary Coughlan; this never happened!! (a copy of the Original Letter is attached)

 

During July 2010 I set up the “Shame of Ireland” @ http://bit.ly/agjWv0

 

“Shame of Ireland” Stands for “Democracy Inclusion and Transparency”

For Victims of the Industrial School System their Families and Friends

 

We are the “Shame of Ireland” because the Politicians and Religious are Ashamed of us! When it is them that Should be Ashamed!

 

The Consultation on the Statutory Fund Took place in August 2010 an was a “take it or leave it option” using Survivors Groups Funded by the Government to give it the validity it clearly lacked in terms of Survivors wishes!

 

On the 4th August I put up the Petition to Dissolve the Statutory Fund! @ http://bit.ly/9hjMlC

 

I allowed this Petition to close 28th February 2011 as there was a NEW Petition Relating to the Trust Fund on “The God Squad” @ http://bit.ly/gzXDt4

 

I have “Copied and Pasted” element’s of the Petition to this Email the only thing I have done is to add Numbers to the List on the Petition and Separated Joint Signatures for your Convenience?

 

On the 1st of April this year Enda Kenny Taoiseach received a copy of the Petition “Justice for Irish Survivors of Child Abuse” the full Petition can be viewed online @ http://bit.ly/aghTMc with 372 Signatures I would like to combine these Petitions to make a total of 713 Signatures!

 

Enda Kenny, Taoiseach was made away by me that “Leaders” of “Survivors Groups” where opposed to the Trust Fund in an email sent to his Office on the 3rd April 2011  a Return Receipt From: Patricia.Collins@taoiseach.gov.ie
Sent: 04 April 2011 08:30 To: Robert Northall Subject: RE: Statutory Trust Fund    at:        04/04/2011 08:29:50 AM                                      

 

 

Yours Sincerely

 

Rob Northall

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Title of the Petition

We the undersigned petition to get the Statutory Trust Fund dissolved and the Money Paid to the Victims.

More details from petition creator

As you are aware the Trust Fund is to become Law and many Survivors do not wish this to happen!

The Irish Government is going ahead regardless; there is also a “rumour” that the Trust Fund will replace the Education Fund making it a “Zero” advance in the Support of “Victims of the Industrial Schools

This Heinous Trust Becomes Law in September!

WE ARE RUNNING OUT OF TIME!

To nominate and vote for Representatives for Survivors Join http://uk.groups.yahoo.com/group/ShameOfIreland/Yahoo ID required; (very easy to set up!) If you are sick and tired of the People who claim to represent you?

Current signatories

Robert Northall, the Petition Creator, joined by:

  1. Robert Northall
  2. Miss T Roberts
  3. Rose Gosnell
  4. Charles Roberts
  5. KAY CORCORAN
  6. lyn Anderson
  7. L.O'Mahoney
  8. LIAM CORCORAN
  9. G.O'Mahoney
  10. S.OMahoney
  11. billy collins
  12. Maurice Heaphy
  13. MARGARET ELAINE O'SULLIVAN
  14. Ann Marie Cox
  15. Barbara Howie
  16. Robert Gosnell
  17. Kathleen Brack
  18. Susan O' Sullivan
  19. Seanie Morrison C.I.I.
  20. MARY KING
  21. Linda Corcoran
  22. Andrew Brennan
  23. John of the Ayres Family
  24. Kathleen O'Malley
  25. David
  26. daniel wade
  27. Margaret
  28. Paddy Doyle
  29. mary quinn
  30. JAMES MOY
  31. Jackie Eden
  32. Rita Eden
  33. Anne Maher
  34. john Maher
  35. Stephanie Maddison
  36. robert mullen
  37. cindy kopac
  38. D G DELLA-PORTA
  39. Theresa Dye
  40. Oliver Burke
  41. WILLIAM McKENNA
  42. vote against trust fund
  43. Kathy Pocklington
  44. Katy Corcoran
  45. Anne Mottram
  46. Jeannie Watten
  47. jack dooley
  48. patrick carey
  49. tony eden
  50. Imelda Murphy
  51. Wendy Swards
  52. Kathleen O'Malley
  53. Mari Steed
  54. Lucy Bingham McAndrew
  55. Christopher Heaphy
  56. Julie Dean
  57. Veronica Obrien
  58. Josephine Obrien
  59. Caroline Ahmad
  60. Eddy Lyons
  61. Carmel Horan
  62. Mary Fernström
  63. Göran Fernström
  64. wendi kelly
  65. Tracy Farrell
  66. ricky l. bell
  67. Emily Northall
  68. GLEN ROBERTS
  69. Hanora Brennan
  70. Lorraine de h-Ora Miller
  71. tom nugent
  72. bridget.walsh
  73. Mary Collins
  74. angelo gildea
  75. Amy Joan. A
  76. Lee Byers
  77. Leia Lee
  78. William McCarthy
  79. Aslina Kasiman
  80. Nabilla Yusoff
  81. Muhammad Hussen
  82. wayne obrien
  83. azman ahmad
  84. Leia Hassan
  85. Leia Ritter
  86. Anthony Ahmad
  87. Tony . A
  88. violet potton
  89. S. Leigh Byers
  90. Mary O'Shea
  91. ken mann
  92. gertrude lodo
  93. paul nolan
  94. Patrick Kane
  95. berni mary g
  96. christy millar,
  97. charles mann
  98. Geraldine Ward
  99. Mary ward
  100. and Tommy Ward, Victims of Industrial schools.
  101. barry clifford
  102. Judith Marian McGinness
  103. Ciara Cunniffe
  104. Siobhan Rice
  105. Lucy Carty
  106. Tyrone Monaghan
  107. Michael Mormina
  108. christy davy
  109. anna liffey
  110. moira Davies
  111. John A Brown
  112. Francis Gerald Lennon
  113. karen Lennon
  114. D Hustwayte
  115. Sean Galligan
  116. Marie Kane
  117. Lisa Doherty
  118. robert gosnell
  119. Paul Looby
  120. Hanne Andersen, Irish Citizen
  121. Doreen Ellel Bell-Dotan
  122. Sharon Fischer
  123. F. X. Robinson
  124. Pamela O'Connor
  125. Brendan Duffy
  126. m mcneil
  127. Lena Berrington
  128. jessica martinez
  129. helendodd
  130. Patricia Moloney
  131. Gary Bergeorn
  132. Sharon O'Flaherty Mottram
  133. Tyrone O'Flaherty Mottram
  134. Adrian Doyle
  135. Mark V Healy
  136. Russ Letica
  137. statutory fund
  138. Gordon Tigue
  139. Mary Williamson,
  140. Chrissie Wiliamson,
  141. Sarah Williamson,
  142. Mary Griffin,
  143. Anne Feeney,
  144. Bridie Touchstone
  145. Theresa Scannell
  146. Robby Martin
  147. John Breen
  148. Blanaid Hoffman
  149. Davida McGuinness
  150. shane sullivan
  151. john sullivan
  152. Kathleen O'Malley
  153. susan santry
  154. tracy gallagher
  155. Bernie Harmon
  156. Christy Walters
  157. Lena Willryd
  158. angela morkan
  159. louise price
  160. Karen Lyons
  161. jessica kesler
  162. MC
  163. Vanditta Diwakar
  164. Ramona
  165. Veronica Lodo
  166. RHONA OKELLY
  167. Janis Browne
  168. lizzy federico
  169. Nigel Bell
  170. anton
  171. r rod
  172. Dave O Brien
  173. Catherine Roberts
  174. pauline jackson
  175. Melissa Vanest
  176. Leanne Bourke
  177. Chris
  178. Bertie Mayne
  179. Alison Fitt
  180. Rhiannon Evans
  181. Victor-James Martinez
  182. Francis Fitt
  183. belinda chichon
  184. Bo Holsonback
  185. peter o'brien
  186. Gertrude Kane,
  187. Rebecca Lodo,
  188. Beth Lodo
  189. Richard Lodo
  190. Celine Halley
  191. sarah nicholls
  192. nikkii daniels
  193. Ronald McCrary
  194. Yvonne Fisher
  195. Clodagh Malone Tuomey
  196. Carol Gibney
  197. Patrick J O'Rourke
  198. Christine Margaret McCabe
  199. John Murray
  200. mary lawler
  201. Rory Rafferty
  202. Hayden Rafferty
  203. Helen Rafferty
  204. Tony Gray
  205. Mary Batt
  206. Monique Forrester
  207. John Deegan
  208. A J Wibberley
  209. Jerry Ryan
  210. Bernice Ryan
  211. Niamh Cole
  212. Liz Gaughan
  213. David Kirwan
  214. Roland Kerry
  215. Hannah Kerry
  216. s.nea
  217. Bthany Hall
  218. lynne patterson
  219. Lee Williams
  220. Mary Wals
  221. Ava Williams
  222. Raymond Aston
  223. chanelle Aston
  224. Julie Morris
  225. Sasha Morris
  226. Connor Morris
  227. Amy Kelly
  228. Simon kelly
  229. Valerie Long
  230. Ronan Kelly-
  231. shaymus Kelly-
  232. Sheila Kelly
  233. Immogen Oneil/
  234. Henry O'neil
  235. Carl Ward
  236. David Ward
  237. Susan Moon
  238. JEFFERY WELLS
  239. Kay Ebeling
  240. Wendy Boone
  241. Geraldine jackson-Jellicoe
  242. therese weir
  243. Samantha Rowe
  244. David Rowe
  245. Damian Wilson
  246. Hayley Patterson
  247. Milly Horan
  248. WILLIAM HORAN SURVIVOR!
  249. Klaire Horan
  250. Melanie Horan
  251. Helen Rose Lewis
  252. george sheppard
  253. DAVID SIMPSON
  254. Mary Anne Simpson
  255. sheva burton
  256. Melizza Moore
  257. portia barrett
  258. Charles Pragnell
  259. jason david
  260. hele adams
  261. Shelly Barker
  262. wayne barker
  263. JESS WILLIAMS
  264. Ryan williams
  265. Étáin Feeley
  266. Siobhan Solley
  267. Sally Jones
  268. Martin Jones
  269. patricia sheppard
  270. Louise Buckley
  271. Nicola O'Sullivan
  272. Linda McKee
  273. Klive Windsor
  274. Shirley Clough
  275. debra whitiker
  276. Carlos Moore
  277. sally whitiker
  278. MR A DALE
  279. Liz De Vries
  280. Dianne Wilkinson
  281. Thomas Northall
  282. Gray Askew
  283. K gates
  284. Elizabeth Nicholas
  285. Patricia Moloney
  286. Patrick Doran
  287. Drina Doran
  288. Dave Lawton
  289. Hariet Lawton
  290. Lewis Kelly
  291. Barbara Daley
  292. Mike Swindel
  293. REECE SWINDEL
  294. wayne henry
  295. Lizzy Henry
  296. Mary Hind
  297. Shona Murphy
  298. Joel Yarwood
  299. Emma Brownsell
  300. Jake Daley
  301. Haley Ankers
  302. martin shaw
  303. Arthur Rion
  304. Hannah Mginty
  305. HEATH SHAW
  306. Dawn o mahony
  307. Ashley voyers
  308. Carmel Hughes
  309. Grant Fergus
  310. B Roberts-Howe
  311. Gail Roberts-Howe
  312. Jim Jackman
  313. Maria Maloney
  314. Bill Maloney
  315. Lilly Starr
  316. Mr. Blair
  317. karen hague
  318. joseph nolan
  319. nuha
  320. Teddy O'Donoghue
  321. kathy finn
  322. Sarah Ledsom
  323. Leia Ritter
  324. Lara Kalimullah
  325. Wenn Cito
  326. Nabibi Najie
  327. Helinna Dadameah
  328. Helinna Hanum
  329. Afifah Dadameah
  330. Safia Hanifah
  331. WILLIAM BYERS
  332. SARAH BYERS
  333. Josh Chichon
  334. Sam Chichon
  335. Tito Chichon
  336. Helen Malpas
  337. Geraldine Brocas-Jellicoe
  338. nicola carroll
  339. paddoconnell
  340. Nicola Cairney
  341. cathy collins

 

Please Note!

The People whose Name appear have all used separate email addresses as this it’s the way Petitions.ie works (It blocks duplicate entries from the same email address!) It also requires the Signatory to Click on a link in a Confirmation email for their name to appear; I have anecdotal evidence that more people tried to sign this petition but failed for what ever reason?

 

ENDS

Bellow is the Dismissive Reply from the Minister of Education to the Petitions; 713 Signatures between 2 Petitions!

 


From: Reid, Susan [mailto:Susan_Reid@education.gov.ie] On Behalf Of Minister for Education & Skills
Sent: 28 April 2011 15:42
To: Robert Northall
Subject: RE: formal submission of the "Petition to Dissolve the Statutory Trust Fund and have the Money Paid Directly to the Survivors".

 

Mr. Robert Northall

Rob.Northall@ntlworld.com

 

 

PLEASE QUOTE REF NUMBER ON ALL CORRESPONDENCE

Our Ref: 1102130

 

Dear Mr. Northall

 

The Minister for Education & Skills, Mr. Ruairí Quinn, TD, has asked me to thank you for your recent email in relation to the proposed Statutory Fund. 

 

Following the publication of the Ryan Report, the then Taoiseach called on the religious congregations to commit to making further substantial contributions by way of reparation.  Having considered the report of the independent Panel appointed to assess statements of their affairs submitted by the Congregations and the responses of the Congregations, the Government outlined its view that the overall costs of the response to residential institutional abuse should be shared on a 50:50 basis between the taxpayer and those responsible for the residential institutions.  This is on the basis that the cost of redress, including awards made by the Redress Board, is likely to reach €1.36 billion.

 

Following the announcement by the previous Government of its intention to establish a Statutory Fund using €110 million of the offers made by the religious congregations to establish a Statutory Fund to support the needs of survivors, the Department undertook a wide ranging consultation process, meeting with groups representing survivors of institutional abuse, the religious Congregations and other interested parties. Press advertisements also invited views and submissions as to the exact nature of the fund, how it will operate and the uses to which it will be put. 

 

Having considered the views expressed during the consultation process, the Department has prepared proposals together with a General Scheme of a Bill to provide for the Statutory Fund.  These proposals will need to be submitted to the Minister and the Government. 

 

The position in relation to the cash contributions is that the sum of €20.6 million has been received and placed in a special interest bearing account in the Central Bank pending the establishment of the Statutory Fund.  The remaining congregations are awaiting confirmation that the legislation will provide for the charitable status of their contributions to the Fund or sight of the proposed terms and structure of the Fund, prior to making their initial contributions.  The offers of contributions envisaged that these contributions would be made over a period of years.

 

I hope this information is of assistance to you.

 

Yours sincerely

 

 

Ronnie Ryan

Private Secretary

 

 

 

 


From: Robert Northall [mailto:rob.northall@ntlworld.com]
Sent: 17 April 2011 11:26
To: 'enda.kenny@oireachtas.ie'; 'privateoffice@taoiseach.gov.ie'
Subject: Unanswered Corespondence

 

Dear Enda Kenny,

I wrote to your Predecessor on 1st June 2010 and he did not have the courtesy to reply!

He merely forwarded the Correspondence to Mary Coughlan she did not think that my Letter was worthy of a Reply either!

 

Although time has moved on I still believe that the Content of the Letter is still current? (The letter appears in full bellow this email)

 

Your Government states clearly in you Document “STATEMENT OF COMMON PURPOSE”

 

“We have a secure and stable mandate and we will use it to build a secure and stable Government. A Government that will restore our country’s finances, will radically reform an outdated system of administration and will rebuild Irelands reputation on the international stage.

 

In doing so, both our parties are committed to protecting the vulnerable and to burden-sharing on an equitable basis. Fianna Fail presided over an unequal and increasingly divided Ireland. We are both committed to forging a new Ireland that is built on fairness and equal citizenship.”

 

Events around the World have moved on recently a Class action in the States has yielded a $166.1 million payout to 524 victims that is $320,000 i.e. €220,000 each. Another case $198 million to 144 victims that is $1,380,000 or €980,000 each.

 

It has also been stated quite concisely in the Dail

 

"Either officials in the department are members of secret societies such as the Knights of St Columbanus and Opus Dei and have taken it upon themselves to protect the interests of these clerical orders or, alternatively, the minister is politically incompetent and incapable of managing the Department of Education." -- Labour Party education spokesman Ruairi Quinn”

 

This I believe show the Redress Board in a very prejudicial light; Limiting the Liability of the Religious and the Protector of the Public Purse?

 

Irelands International Reputation is Damaged by the above and further Damaged by the Fact that the INTERNATIONAL HUMANIST AND ETHICAL UNION is currently taking the Holy See to task over its handling of Child Abuse.

 

The Church’s reaction to the scandal

5.v. Every possible step has been taken by the Church to minimise both criminal sanctions and the amount of compensation it paid to victims. “Gagging” clauses are routinely imposed as part of settlements of cases[12].

 

Factors contributing to concealment

6. The most prevalent common characteristic of the thousands of cases of child abuse that have come to light is secrecy at every level, whether “bought” as part of a settlement [13], of one priest reporting another [14], or – as in Ireland – shameless and widely-publicised attempts made by religious institutions, apparently without censure and possibly with support from highest authorities in the Church [15], to obstruct the publication of reports about wholesale abuse.[16]

 

International Humanist and Ethical Union Intervention UN HUMAN RIGHTS COUNCIL:

13th Session (1 to 26 March 2010)

Speaker: IHEU Representative, Keith Porteous Wood: Tuesday 16 March 2010

Agenda Item 4: Matters requiring the attention of the Council

 

Includes this Statement regarding the “Holy See”

 

3. to instruct all its representatives to cooperate with legal investigating authorities worldwide, something that they have signally failed to do in Ireland.

 

 Source - http://www.secularism.org.uk/uploads/unhrc-holy-see-pack.pdf

 

It should be the Irish Government using its place at the United Nations to force the “Holy See” to appear before the before the Commission into Child Abuse? Yet they allowed the “Holy See” to Abuse its Diplomatic Immunity and withhold documents!

 

In light of the Ryan Report; I do not understand why the Irish Tax Payer has paid so dearly for the wrong doings of the Religious Orders; nor why the Irish Government have let the members of C.O.R.I. off so lightly in their additional contribution to the cost of the compensation paid out by the redress board.

 

It is my view that the work undertaken by the Redress Board was somewhat premature and that the victims of the Industrial School System where not fairly compensated.

 

There is no doubt in my mind that the Religious orders profited for the abuse of people like my wife.

 

There is little doubt that funds would have been transferred from these Demonic Institutions to Rome and the “Holy See”; The Christian Brothers where and still are administered from Rome.

 

“The Holy See formally established the congregation in 1820. The Christian Brothers was the first Irish order of men approved by a charter by the Rome.

Geographically, the Christian Brothers are divided into several provinces that encompass every inhabited continent. The brothers within each province work under the direction of a Province Leadership Team. In turn, the entire Congregation operates under the leadership of a Congregation Leadership Team that is based in Rome (and led by a Congregation Leader). These provincial and Congregational teams are elected on a 6-year basis at Congregation chapters.”

 

Source - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congregation_of_Christian_Brothers

 

Looking at this they must have vast overseas assets? They have also had ample opportunity to “Squirrel away” Monies into Overseas Accounts, Trust Funds and the like; as have other Members of C.O.R.I?

 

The Global Mood of Litigation against the Religious Orders and Irelands weak handling of this with the Negotiation of the 2002 Indemnity Deal and it Gagging Order which is in Breach of Human Rights Legislation; means that C.O.R.I. has had plenty of time to impoverish itself, through the establishment of Trust Funds and other Legal Loop holes?

 

I believe that the original deal with C.O.R.I. was illegal and unconstitutional; and it the duty of the Irish Government to sue the Holy See in “The Court of Human Rights” to recover the total cost to the Irish Tax Payer associated with the Administration of the Redress Board it’s Compensation; and the total cost of the Murphy Commission and Report and the Ryan Report.

 

C.O.R.I. where in their handling of the “Industrial Schools” where pure and simple “In Breach of Contract” the  State where Negligent in their “Inspections”, ; but C.O.R.I. had plenty of advanced warning of these “Inspections” giving them ample opportunity to place a thin veneer of respectability over their Breach of Contract and Human Rights Legislation!

 

It was reported that Brian Cowens’ Government would be looking into the Overseas Assets of these Religious Orders; but it would appear that they have been content with what they are prepared to pay?

 

This should also incorporate a class action on behalf of those that suffered under the hands of the religious orders including the Magdalene Laundries, and others that did not come under the scope of the Redress Board.

 

The “Holy See” is a corporation with a Sovereign State and if they have profited from the abuse of the young of Ireland are culpable; as they should have made sure that the contributions that they accepted where clean and not covered in “SIN”.

 

It is about time that the “Corporate and Religious Veil” was lifted.

 

It is also my opinion that it is only a matter of time before some forward thinking Legal Team act in a similar manner that I have suggested in my letter and that the Irish “Victims” and TAX PAYER may be standing at the back of a long Queue?

 

You yourself stated "Let us not hide behind euphemisms. This was not just failure to protect. This was torture, pure and simple." You are a straight talking man; I urge you repair Irelands International Reputation by addressing the 2002 Indemnity Deal, which has been revisited Redress Board and the Subsequent Proposed Statutory Fund where the Abused have to go cap in hand to the Abusers’.

 

Ireland has committed itself to promoting and protecting Human Rights. The Irish Government must report on a regular basis to the United Nations (UN) on the extent to which it is meeting these obligations in October 2011. I Trust that your Government will take this opportunity to address these matter before this date?

 

Yours Sincerely

 

Rob Northall

 

 

 

 

15th July – by email to the privateoffice@taoiseach.gov.ie

 

Dear Mr. Cowen.

I wrote to you on the 1st June 2010, and received your reply that you had forwarded the letter to Mary Coughlan for her to respond directly to me in this matter; this has not happened.

 

As she has failed to respond I urge you to reply to my letter of the 1st July letter personally?

 

In light of the Ryan Report; I do not understand why the Irish Tax Payer has paid so dearly for the wrong doings of the Religious Orders; nor why the Irish Government have let the members of C.O.R.I. off so lightly in their additional contribution to the cost of the compensation paid out by the redress board.

 

It was reported that your government would be looking into the Overseas Assets of these Religious Orders; but it would appear that you have been content with what they are prepared to pay?

 

It is my view that the work undertaken by the Redress Board was somewhat premature and that the victims of the Industrial School System where not fairly compensated.

 

It is also my opinion that it is only a matter of time before some forward thinking Legal Team act in a similar manner that I have suggested in my letter and that the Irish “Victims” and Tax Payer may be standing at the back of a long Queue?

 

I await your personal reply to this email and the attached letter.

 

 

Yours sincerely

 

 

Rob Northall

 


14 XXXXXXX

XXXX XXXXX

Swansea

XXX XXX

 

Mr Brian Cowen

The Taoiseach

Department of the Taoiseach,

Government Buildings,

Upper Merrion Street,

Dublin 2

1st June 2010

Dear Mr Cowen,

I am writing to you because you have a legal background and you are well briefed in the matter I refer to; I believe only you and you alone can answer this letter.

 

I have been reading a great deal about you and your political career and the way in which you conduct yourself and have to say you are a politician of our times and I commend you for the way you appear to conduct yourself in an open and uncompromising manner.

I am writing with regards to the current “Rumours”; that abound that in light of the publication of the Ryan Report that there will be additional payment in compensation for the Victims of the Industrial School System. These “Rumours” are causing me a great deal of personal anxiety as they have reached the ears of my wife.

My wife is a survivor of one of these institutions and the act of applying to the redress Board opened mental wounds that she can’t close; I am sure that this is the case for the majority of victims.

The “Rumours” of a future payment are fuelling her Anxiety, and because of the Complex Post Traumatic Stress Disorder that she is left with; questions are daily.

She constantly asks my opinion as to whether or not there will be any more money?

Whether or not she will have to go through the terrible ordeal of remembering again; the fact that she has asked this question; means that she is dwelling once again on the past.

It is time that something was done to give victims a sense of real peace and closure.

The source of these “Rumours”? The Groups that are representing the Survivors;


I have contacted

'director@oneinfour.org.uk'

'info@rcni.ie'

'info@alliancesupport.org'

'mayorcc@eircom.net'

'ropsurvivor@hotmail.com'                 and have not had a reply to date.

 

I am not stating that the above are responsible for these “Rumours” as I cannot state with any accuracy who attended the meeting in London earlier this year. All I can say is that these “Rumours” have done nothing to help those that are still living with the scars of abuse!

 

I understand that these people receive funding from the Irish Government and should have responded to my email a copy of which is attached; I would welcome your personal view on the content of this email?

There is no doubt in my mind that the Religious orders profited for the abuse of people like my wife.

There is little doubt that funds would have been transferred from these Demonic Institutions to Rome and the “Holy See”; The Christian Brothers where and still are administered from Rome.

The Holy See formally established the congregation in 1820. The Christian Brothers was the first Irish order of men approved by a charter by the Rome.

Geographically, the Christian Brothers are divided into several provinces that encompass every inhabited continent. The brothers within each province work under the direction of a Province Leadership Team. In turn, the entire Congregation operates under the leadership of a Congregation Leadership Team that is based in Rome (and led by a Congregation Leader). These provincial and Congregational teams are elected on a 6-year basis at Congregation chapters.

source http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congregation_of_Christian_Brothers

Looking at this they must have vast overseas assets

The “Holy See” is a corporation with a Sovereign State and if they have profited from the abuse of the young of Ireland are culpable; as they should have made sure that the contributions that they accepted where clean and not covered in “SIN”.

It is about time that the “Corporate and Religious Veil” was lifted.

I believe that the original deal with C.O.R.I. was illegal and unconstitutional; and it the duty of the Irish Government to sue the Holy See in “The Court of Human Rights” to recover the total cost to the Irish Tax Payer associated with the Administration of the Redress Board it’s Compensation; and the total cost of the Murphy Commission and Report and the Ryan Report.

This should also incorporate a class action on behalf of those that suffered under the hands of the religious orders including the Magdalene Laundries and other that did not come under the scope of the Redress Board.

Yours sincerely

 Rob. Northall


COPY OF EMAIL SENT TO                                                DATE SENT

 

 

'director@oneinfour.org.uk'                                        Thu 18/02/2010 09:35

'info@rcni.ie'                                                               Thu 18/02/2010 09:30

'info@alliancesupport.org'                                          Mon 15/02/2010 11:58

'mayorcc@eircom.net'                                                 Thu 18/02/2010 09:33

'ropsurvivor@hotmail.com'                                         Sun 28/02/2010 13:33

 

 

 

After the revelations of the Ryan Report, there is great deal of speculation about further payouts to victims’ of abuse.

 

Can you tell me if there any plans on taking a class action out against the Catholic Church and the Irish Government for further compensation?

 

I believe that there may a case to answer to as:

 

On the 5th June 2002 Irish Minister Michael Woods; himself a strong Catholic educated by the Christian Brothers (one of the major perpetrators of the abuse) made a deal with the Catholic Church limiting its liability for damages for the abuse to 128 Million Euros; part of the deal was to absolve those responsible from prosecution. This deal was itself kept a secret until January 2003 and was never properly ratified by the Irish Government. This may render the Agreement made where the Victims cannot ask for more compensation illegal?

 

Michal Woods also declined to allow CICA to examine the legality of the court orders that committed the child inmates for decades into the industrial school system. This still needs to be addressed.

 

The closure of these institutions’ was recommended by the Kennedy Report 1967-70. The School in Artane was closed in 1969 before the report was completed; showing that the Irish Government were already acting on the finding of the Report before its conclusion. Yet they didn’t finish the closing of the schools until 1990. This implies Complicity in the abuse that took place.

 

People were still being sentenced to terms of imprisonment in these institution during the time that the Kennedy Report was being compiled; the very fact that the Kennedy Report was Commissioned; indicates that the Government had grave concerns about the suitability of the Industrial and Reformatory School system and should have suspended admissions until the findings of the Report.

 

The Department of Education should have been more vigilant during the time that the Kennedy Report was being compiled yet they did nothing; this is a dereliction of the “Duty of Care” by the State.

 

Victims were held in these institutions after the publication of the Kennedy Report; this is negligent; and in breach of “Human Rights Legistlation”.

It has taken the Ryan Report commissioned by the Irish Government to highlight the abuse; published 4 years after the Irish Government finished paying out compensation to the victims of this abuse. This combined with the fact that the deal in 2002 and the terms for accepting payment from the redress board was designed to deliberately minimise compensation and protect the Catholic Church.

The Redress Board instead of paying out Compensation; became protectors of the “Public Purse”.

The Irish Government now want compensating for the money they paid out averaging 69,000 Euros per individual; if the deal hadn’t been struck with the Catholic Church in the first place the Victims would have been properly compensated and the Catholic Church would have paid out Millions; and it wouldn’t have cost the Government as much. The Act of setting up the Redress Board and it’s “modus operandi” was and is now prejudicial to victims of abuse receiving full and proper compensation for the abuse that was committed from the Catholic Church and it’s Associated Organisations; This would never have happened in America?

My wife is a survivor of one of these institutions and the act of applying to the redress Board has opened mental wounds that she can’t close; I am sure that this is the case for the majority of victims.

Any information that you can provided is appreciated?

Feel free to circulate this email to others that may be able to provide answers!

 

Yours sincerely

 

Rob Northall

 

 

I have Just submitted the following via - http://www.michealmartin.ie/contact/

Dear Mr Martin, I wrote to Brian Cowen 1st June 2010, this was given to Mary Coughlan to reply to (which she never did) I reported this fact to Mr Cowen and urged him for a reply. Again ignored!!

I emailed Enda Kenny Sun 17/04/2011 to complain about his predecessors lack of response; and asked him to reply to the letter; He has forwarded this to Rauri Quinn who still has not replied.

I also emailed Rauri Quinn with a Formal Submission of a Petition to Stop the Statutory Fund. I received a dismissive Standard Form Reply where non of my Questions were addressed?

I am an British Citizen but my Wife is Irish. Unless you can assist me in getting a considered reply to this correspondence; I will have no option but to contact the British Embassy.

I cannot believe the rudeness of your fellow Politicians?

Yours sincerely Rob Northall

 

The "Ignored Correspondence" appears above this Posting


From: Rob. Northall [mailto:rob.northall@ntlworld.com]
Sent: 06 July 2011 15:04
To: 'consular.dubli@fco.gov.uk'; 'haguew@parliament.uk'
Subject: Ignored Correspondence your assistance would be apreciated

 

F.A.O. the British Ambassador to Eire

 

Dear Ambassador,

I have included you in recent correspondence between myself and Members of the Irish Government; I have done this out of shear frustration of their rudeness!

 

I am a British Citizen and my wife is an Irish Citizen; she suffers from Anxiety, Complex Post Traumatic Stress disorder and Agoraphobia, this is as a direct result of being detained as a child in one of the many Irish Industrial Schools.

 

I have been writing on her behalf for information and have made many friends who were affected by these Industrial Schools. In my correspondence I have been representing their opinions as well as my own and those of my wife to the best of my ability; in order to get clarification from various Government Departments, and in bid to try and influence them to do what I and many of the Survivors believe is the right thing?

 

I first wrote to Brian Cowen 1st June 2010 when he was Taoiseach he forwarded the correspondence to Mary Coughlan the then Minister for Education and Skills; this was ignored!

 

Since then I have set up “The Shame of Ireland” as a Pressure Group so that Survivors can act together on matter that they are concerned about.

 

The Shame of Ireland can be found @ http://bit.ly/agjWv0 it has 100 Members; there is no Leadership on the Site as Survivors are very distrustful of Groups that claim to represent them! (Millions of Euros of Irish Tax Payer Money have been unaccounted for).

 

Every Member is free to act as they see fit and report back to the Group via the Website, we have a fully democratic “Live Voting” System integrated into the Website and a Suggestion Process where members can canvas the opinion of other members.

 

I am not asking you to interfere in the Business of a Sovereign State but merely ask that you intervene on my behalf to ensure that Correspondence that is written to the Irish Government and their various Departments receive due consideration and a considered response?

 

I have written many time to various Department and Ministers and got NO Response although “Read Receipts” and “acknowledgement of receipt of Correspondences” have also been received.

 

I ask this as a British Citizen

 

Yours Sincerely

 

Robert Northall

Individual Member of the Shame of Ireland

 

This appeared in my In box this morning; I have removed Jimmy's email address at his request

 

From: JIMMY
Sent: 08 July 2011 11:58
To: rob
Subject: Fw: RE: Statutory Trust Fund Scheme.

 

Rob, feel free to put my letter on your site, if you think it will help. Hope you and your good lady are doin ok. Regards jimmy

 

 

 

 

-------Original Message-------

 

Date: 08/07/2011 11:41:41

To: 

Subject: RE: Statutory Trust Fund Scheme.

 


 

 

PLEASE QUOTE REF NUMBER ON ALL CORRESPONDENCE

Our Ref: 1104692SR

 

Dear Ms. Moy

 

Thank you for your recent email regarding the Statutory Trust Fund Scheme.

 

Your correspondence will be brought to the Minister's attention as soon as possible.

 

Yours sincerely

 

Ronnie Ryan

Private Secretary

 

 


From: JIMMY
Sent: 07 July 2011 16:25
To: Minister for Education & Skills
Subject: Statutory Trust Fund Scheme.

Dear Minister Quinn,

 

Many feature's of the RIRB were disturbing, like the fact that award's were Not on a par with the award's of a High Court,

Despite this being written in the RIRB handbook on terms and condition's. The majority of those that attended the RIRB

Were seriously short changed.

Many, who were not satisfied they had received a fair award, and appealed ,only to have their award's reduced . Solicitor's

And Barrister's advised many claimants to accept and sign , or risk losing their award or even have it reduced.

 

The entire period experienced for those that attended the RIRB, was very distressing. Many were traumatized by the way they were

Treated, and the Gagging order's placed on them amounted to breach of their Human Right's.

 

This new Statutory Trust Fund Scheme will amount to nothing but further abuse on the Survivor's who attended the RIRB, the majority

Who now are scattered throughout the world, most in their elderly year's.

 

Please consider the option's open to you Mr Quinn, before you take the Bill to the Government. Their are not many Survivor's that want this

Scheme, it will be of no help to them, many are already receiving help for the service's that are referred to in the Scheme.

 

Many would prefer to see the Contribution's made by the Religious , shared out equally, between those that qualify, in a fair and just manner.

That would enable Survivor's to have closure on the entire situation, and allow them in their old age to deal with their own problem's as they see fit,

And make arrangement's for their own families's .

 

To address the way the Majority request, would be seen and accepted as the perfect way to put this entire matter to bed, and eliminate the need

For the setting up of the Fund you currently propose, which will no doubt , necessitate much organizing, and much expense to run, not to mention the various problem's

That will be encountered , on both side's.

 

Ireland owe's it to every Irishman/woman that were so badly damaged in their Childhood, to be properly addressed now, and allowed to call closure on much of

The sadness in their live's. You alone Mr Quinn have this power in your hand's to do right by us, and be seen by everyone as a man who believes in fair play.

 

It is very much in your favor, as well as the Survivor's, to seize this chance to eliminate this saga of Ireland's Shame, and not drag it on and on! The Government's of

Ireland were as much to blame for our suffering's as the Religious, but at least they have owned up, apologized, and made retribution.

 

Do you seriously want to drag this stigma round your neck into the future? Do what the Survivor's request. Abandon this new Scheme , it just amount's to continued ABUSE!

 

Your's Sincerely

 

James Moy.

 

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