The Shame of Ireland

The Shame of Ireland

As you can see below they are starting to debate issues Close to Our heart!
The link below is form this week in the Dail.

If you live in the Republic then you should write, email, Telephone or Meet You "Elected Representative"?

Below is an email sent to Kathleen Lynch; she was speaking up for the Magdalene's!!


From: Robert Northall []
Sent: 18 October 2010 18:09
To: ''
Subject: Your Support?


Dear Kathleen,


I have today read your contribution to the Dáil debate; Thursday, 7 October 2010 via
I can only commend you for your support of the “Maggies”! They have a worthy and just cause!


The Consultation Mary Coughlan Refers to is with Government Paid Representatives of Survivors Right of Place "Et All" I understand that Noel Barry is no longer in residence however the Per Capita Funding that they Use as their mandate is still in Place?


This I believe is part of the Moral Bankruptcy of the Government; I hope that you don’t think that I am making Light but the Magdalene’s are in quite a strong position The R.IR.B. Act took advantage of the situation at the time and paid lip service to Compensation, Michael Woods assured his place in Heaven by protecting the Catholic Churches Breach of Contact over the care of Children! (Had the Irish Government sued on this alone and had ALL the Monies Refunded
there might have been a better Deal for Survivors of the Industrial School System?).


It is a matter of time before they will have to admit culpability!


The depravation of the Human Rights of the Maggies in the European Court of Human Rights would be an excellent Publicity Vehicle? And may bring additional pressure to bear?


The only reason that they started investigating the Industrial Schools is because they wanted to join Europe! Other than this
who knows; the institutions may still be running??



The Survivors of the Industrial Schools have 2 problems



  1. They have been dealt with! And signed an agreement to that end!!!
  2. They have been Represented by Right Of Place “ET ALL” So their voice was ignored for years!

These People hold lists that I cannot access; we are under 50 in membership at the moment but growing slowly?

All the Support organisations are “Jealously Guarding” their Government Cash, WE are divided by what unites US! The Government have used their funding Wisely!!


God Bless the Struggle of the Maggies!


I hope that will not make the same mistakes that have befallen the Survivors of the Industrial Schools?


It leaves such a bitter taste!


The Shame of Ireland is currently under development; we are testing “Live Voting” The first “Live Vote” is


I Agree with Adding the Survivors of the Magdalene Laundries to the Shame Of Ireland Objectives?


When I first started on YahooGroups they were not included, when I moved to Facebook I added them; now we have our own site I need the Members to vote to accept the change and to ”VOTE”  adopt the Aims and Objective I have foisted uponthem!


Democracy is hard work, But we will get there!


I gave Fergus O’Dowd the opportunity to embarrass Brian Cowen and Mary Coughlan over unanswered correspondence from Survivors; As far as I am aware he has not taken this opportunity?


If you feel that you would like to step where “Angels Fear to Tread” I can forward you Correspondence that will show them for what they are; it also shows so called “Survivors Groups” in their true light!


If you would like to know anymore about the “Shame of Ireland” or embarrass Brian Cowen (not that he needs any help)?


Please let me know?


Yours Sincerely


Rob Northall

Founder of the “Shame of Ireland”

I do not represent anyone as we can not vote on “Spokes people” until we have a core membership worthy of not (i.e. 100).


When we do we will have what no other group can deliver “Representation Without Leadership”!

I appologise for the abreviation of the Magdalenes as I now understand it is Offensive? but felt that to edit something that had already been sent would lack "Transparency"!

Kathleen Lynch is the Labour TD for Cork, if you are a constituent of hers feel free to contact her in regards to this email (she has sent a read reciept with regard to this).

If you Do write feel free to sign as a Member of the Shame of Ireland, but as I did please state that you do not Represent any one!

In future I will be signing Corespondence in this manner (but will drop the "Founder" Part; it sounds a bit to Egotistical for my liking!

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Replies to This Discussion

From: Stephanie Byrne [] On Behalf Of John Browne
Sent: 17 November 2011 15:50
To: Rob. Northall
Subject: Re: RE Unanswered Correspondence


Thank you Rob and I will address the matter to the Taoiseach immediately.  As soon as I have a  reply I will be back in touch.


Lower Church Street
Co. Wexford
053 92 35046

From: Emer ONeill [] On Behalf Of John Halligan
Sent: 18 November 2011 11:25
To: Rob. Northall
Subject: Re: RE Unanswered Correspondence


On behalf of Mr John Halligan T. D. (Ind) Waterford I wish to acknowledge receipt of your recent email.  I can confirm the contents of same have been brought to the Deputy’s attention.

Kind Regards

Emer O'Neill BA (Law) IPAV QFA
Parliamentary Assistant
John Halligan T.D. (Ind) Waterford

From: Charles Flanagan []
Sent: 18 November 2011 12:54
To: Rob. Northall
Subject: Re: RE Unanswered Correspondence


I am sorry you are so frustrated and disappointed. I would be happy to help. How best do you feel I could be of assistance. Did you meet Ministers officials. Let me know in due course.

Charlie Flanagan TD
Fine Gael Parliamentary Party Chairman
Laois/Offaly Constituency
Lismard Court
Co. Laois
Phone: 057 8620232

From: Thomas P Broughan []
Sent: 18 November 2011 16:49
To: Rob. Northall
Subject: Re: RE Unanswered Correspondence


Dear Rob,

Thanks for your email.  I understand that you have raised this directly with Ministers Ruairi Quinn and Alan Shatter but I will try and raise this matter again with all of my colleagues in the Parliamentary Labour Party.

Yours Sincerely,

Thomas P. Broughan T.D.

Labour T.D. for Dublin North East

From: Michael Colreavy []
Sent: 19 November 2011 13:42
To: Rob. Northall
Cc: Sean Crowe
Subject: Re: RE Unanswered Correspondence


Dear Rob,

Thank you for your email. I have sent it to my party colleague Sean Crowe TD - our Dail spokesperson on Education and Skills - for his attention.

Best wishes,


Michael Colreavy TD

Sent from my iPad

From: []
Sent: 17 November 2011 10:00
To: Rob. Northall
Subject: Re: RE Unanswered Correspondence



Can you please supply me with your full address?


Minister Paul Kehoe TD
Government Chief Whip & Minister of State

From: Barra O Nuallain [] On Behalf Of Airestait
Sent: 17 November 2011 10:46
Subject: RE Unanswered Correspondence



Ref: 589/2011/DMG


Rob Northall


17 November 2011


Dear Rob,


Many thanks for the email you sent to me on the 16th of November relating to the Statutory Trust Fund.


I will make representations on your behalf to my colleague Ruairí Quinn TD, Minister for Education and skills and ask that he get in touch with you as soon as possible.


Le dea-mhéin,


Dinny McGinley TD

Minister of State for the Gaeltacht


Bellow is a reply that I have received to an email sent to every TD, as more come in I will add them.

From: Michael Healy-Rae []
Sent: 20 March 2012 05:49 PM
To: Rob. Northall
Subject: Re: Survivor Groups and the Statutory Trust Fund

I will put down a pq to the minister re this matter ml healy rae

Sent from my iPhone

On 18 Mar 2012, at 18:22, "Rob. Northall" a title="" href="">> wrote:

Dear Michael Healy-Rae,

Polite Note: Clicking links will take you to notes at the bottom of the document may I suggest that you leave clicking links until you have read the body of the email?

Mr Quinn is progressing with the Statutory Trust Fund on the basis that he states that the majority of Survivors Group Leaders are in favour of the Trust Fund.

The following Text was part of and email sent to Enda Kenny on the 3rd April 2011 and forwarded to Rauri Quinn for his personal attention. I spite of me making a formal complaint about not receiving answers to correspondence an answer to this was never received.

Firstly I would like to Draw your attention to the opinions expressed by some of the Group Leaders

John Kelly of IRISHSOCA is opposed to the Trust Fund Click <Here> to Read John Kelly’s (IRISHSOCA) Position

Michael O’Brien “Right to Peace” and Tom Hayes of “” Oppose the Trust Fund Click <Here> to Read Michael O’Brien and Tom Hayes Position

Michael Walsh “Right of Place” is also opposed to this Trust Fund Click <Here> to Read what Michael Walsh “Right of Place” has ...

Whilst I personally and many others have been asking that proof of Membership and their Individual Mandates be verified?

The Government Recognises the Validity of the Groups and their Leaders!

I and many Survivor feel that the Statutory Trust Fund will not benefit Survivor only Service Providers, including Survivor Groups?? Midlands Survivors Services applied for funding from the Statutory Trust Fund as early as April 2011 (See Bellow) not only is this a breach of Due process as the Bill has not been enacted; It also shows the Consultation Process up for the Total Farce that it was.

The Consultation Process was a take it or Leave it Affair and no Groups that took part in it put forward the objections of Survivors to the Statutory Trust Fund.

The wishes of Survivors have been ignored by Groups Unrepresentative of them!

I have done my best to ask Group Leaders for their Current position and I would ask you to do the same I ask you that you contact Group Leaders and ask them directly where they Stand; and more importantly what Survivor actually want?

Yours Sincerely

Rob Northall

Supporting Documentation bellow!

John Kelly’s (IRISHSOCA) Position

From: irishsoca [] Sent: 19 August 2010 19:52
To: Albert King
Subject: Re: ATTENTION!

Mr King

We both want the following

  1. No to a Trust
  2. Victims to receive all the money not one fifth
  3. Victims to make their own decisions


Michael O’Brien and Tom Hayes Position

Email Received from Michael O’Brien 17th November 2010

"Right to Peace have, and still continue to
fight, for all monies giving to the Goverment must be shared amongest the
survivors as a matter of fact, I, Tom Hayes, and Christy, are meeting
with members of Dail eireann tomorrow the18th Nov 2010 to call on them, and
asking them to call the goverment to give all monies to the survivors,
and that is only one of many meetings that I have arranged. So it is
unfair to say I am not working for survivors. Michael O Brien"

Michael Walsh “Right of Place”

Incidentially, you dont need our 1750 members to sign. In all our meetings when we canvassed this issue they indicated that they are against this trust fund in principle therefore you have the majority of our members demand that this trust fund be rejected in its present form, so in fact, you have an additional 1750 votes with my signiture!
On behalf of Right of Place Second Chance we wish you continued success.
As a survivor if I can be of assistence in the promotion of issues that support survivors then I will.
Michael Walsh
Chairperson Right of Place Second Chance

Source - to read Full Transcript

Reply from Eamon Gilmore and my reply to him

-----Original Message-----
From: []
Sent: 21 March 2012 11:15 AM
To: Rob. Northall
Subject: Re: Survivor Groups and the Statutory Trust Fund

Dear Rob,

Thank you very much for your email which I will bring to the attention of
the Tánaiste as soon as possible.

As the matters you raise are the responsibility of the Department of
Education and Skills I have forwarded your email to the Minister for
Education and Skills for their attention and direct response to you.

Thank you for taking the time to write to the Tánaiste who appreciates
receiving your views.


Lorraine Larkin
Tánaiste’s Office

Dear Lorraine,
The Minister for Education has received a copy from me. Which he will either hard nose as with previous Correspondence of wiffle waffle it away?

I would be grateful if the Tánaiste would give the matter his personal attention; even Tom Hayes told me in a recent telephone conversation that Survivors are not in favour of the Trust Fund.

The railroading of the Trust Fund against Survivors wishes and the take it or leave it Consultation Process denied Survivors their say; this is Abuse Perpetrated by Government and Survivors Groups on Survivors?

Regards Rob

I had Problems with sending the email and resent it this weekend. Should receive more replies soon

From: Celine Mullen [] On Behalf Of Brendan Smith
Sent: 27 March 2012 11:42 AM
To: Rob. Northall
Subject: Re: Survivor Groups and the Statutory Trust Fund


Dear Rob

I received your mail and I note the comments.

I have tabled further Parliamentary Questions to the Minister for Education and Skills regarding the Statutory Fund and as soon as I receive replies I will be in touch with you again.  

Micheál Martin TD has also been in contact with me on your behalf.

With kindest regards.

Yours sincerely


Residential Institutions Redress Scheme: 29 Mar 2012: Written answers ()

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