The Shame of Ireland

The Shame of Ireland


As you can see below they are starting to debate issues Close to Our heart!
The link below is form this week in the Dail.

http://bit.ly/93Hg13

If you live in the Republic then you should write, email, Telephone or Meet You "Elected Representative"?

Below is an email sent to Kathleen Lynch; she was speaking up for the Magdalene's!!


 

From: Robert Northall [mailto:rob.northall@ntlworld.com]
Sent: 18 October 2010 18:09
To: 'kathleen.lynch@oireachtas.ie'
Subject: Your Support?

 

Dear Kathleen,

 

I have today read your contribution to the Dáil debate; Thursday, 7 October 2010 via http://www.kildarestreet.com/debate/?id=2010-10-07.155.0&c=297#c297
I can only commend you for your support of the “Maggies”! They have a worthy and just cause!

 

The Consultation Mary Coughlan Refers to is with Government Paid Representatives of Survivors Right of Place "Et All" I understand that Noel Barry is no longer in residence however the Per Capita Funding that they Use as their mandate is still in Place?

 

This I believe is part of the Moral Bankruptcy of the Government; I hope that you don’t think that I am making Light but the Magdalene’s are in quite a strong position The R.IR.B. Act took advantage of the situation at the time and paid lip service to Compensation, Michael Woods assured his place in Heaven by protecting the Catholic Churches Breach of Contact over the care of Children! (Had the Irish Government sued on this alone and had ALL the Monies Refunded
there might have been a better Deal for Survivors of the Industrial School System?).

 

It is a matter of time before they will have to admit culpability!

 

The depravation of the Human Rights of the Maggies in the European Court of Human Rights would be an excellent Publicity Vehicle? And may bring additional pressure to bear?

 

The only reason that they started investigating the Industrial Schools is because they wanted to join Europe! Other than this
who knows; the institutions may still be running??

 

 

The Survivors of the Industrial Schools have 2 problems

 

 

  1. They have been dealt with! And signed an agreement to that end!!!
  2. They have been Represented by Right Of Place “ET ALL” So their voice was ignored for years!

These People hold lists that I cannot access; we are under 50 in membership at the moment but growing slowly?

All the Support organisations are “Jealously Guarding” their Government Cash, WE are divided by what unites US! The Government have used their funding Wisely!!

 

God Bless the Struggle of the Maggies!

 

I hope that will not make the same mistakes that have befallen the Survivors of the Industrial Schools?

 

It leaves such a bitter taste!

 

The Shame of Ireland is currently under development; we are testing “Live Voting” The first “Live Vote” is

 

I Agree with Adding the Survivors of the Magdalene Laundries to the Shame Of Ireland Objectives?

 

When I first started on YahooGroups they were not included, when I moved to Facebook I added them; now we have our own site I need the Members to vote to accept the change and to ”VOTE”  adopt the Aims and Objective I have foisted uponthem!

 

Democracy is hard work, But we will get there!

 

I gave Fergus O’Dowd the opportunity to embarrass Brian Cowen and Mary Coughlan over unanswered correspondence from Survivors; As far as I am aware he has not taken this opportunity?

 

If you feel that you would like to step where “Angels Fear to Tread” I can forward you Correspondence that will show them for what they are; it also shows so called “Survivors Groups” in their true light!

 

If you would like to know anymore about the “Shame of Ireland” or embarrass Brian Cowen (not that he needs any help)?

 

Please let me know?

 

Yours Sincerely

 

Rob Northall

Founder of the “Shame of Ireland”

I do not represent anyone as we can not vote on “Spokes people” until we have a core membership worthy of not (i.e. 100).

 

When we do we will have what no other group can deliver “Representation Without Leadership”!


I appologise for the abreviation of the Magdalenes as I now understand it is Offensive? but felt that to edit something that had already been sent would lack "Transparency"!

Kathleen Lynch is the Labour TD for Cork, if you are a constituent of hers feel free to contact her in regards to this email (she has sent a read reciept with regard to this).

If you Do write feel free to sign as a Member of the Shame of Ireland, but as I did please state that you do not Represent any one!

In future I will be signing Corespondence in this manner (but will drop the "Founder" Part; it sounds a bit to Egotistical for my liking!

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From: Sinead NiBhroin [mailto:Sinead.NiBhroin@Oireachtas.ie] On Behalf Of Mary Lou McDonald
Sent: 25 June 2012 11:30 AM
To: Rob. Northall
Cc: Sean Crowe
Subject: Re: Thank You! Your Help is Still Needed

 

Rob, a chara

Sinn Féin's Education Spokesperson Sean Crowe TD is dealing with the Statutory Trust Fund Bill. I've Cc him on your mail so that he can deal with any queries you may have.

With thanks,

Mary Lou McDonald TD
Sinn Féin Deputy Leader
Spokesperson for Public Expenditure and Reform

Leinster House
Kildare Street
Dublin 2

Tel: +353 1 6183230
Email: marylou.mcdonald@oireachtas.ie
Web: www.sinnfein.ie

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hello Rob.  evidently the result of the vote  (in terms of figures) clearly does not truely represent the members!

nothing is over yet including the battle to get justice ... not that there should be one but certain people fail to realize unless these matters are settled satisfactorily there can be no peace in Ireland for anybody .. and the political partys involved in decades of child abuse will be blamed (held to account) 

I have just sent the following email to ALL Labour TD's Excluding Mr Quinn and Emmet Stagg

I suggest you do similar?

 

Subject: Labour Pre Election Promise

 

Please Vote Down the Statutory Trust Fund, if you are NOT ALLOWED to do this Please Support Survivors by ABSTAINING from Ratifying the Bill

 

I sent this email Yesteday


Dear Mr Kehoe and Mr Stag
There are 166 Seats in the Dail 96 Voted with the Government 19 Voted Against deeply Flawed Statutory Fund Bill;

Sadly 51 Members did not feel the plight of Survivors important enough to have and opinion on?

Or is it that those who Abstained do not Agree with the Party view and therefore did not want to vote Against the Party Whip?

I am asking that you arrange for a “Free Vote” when this Bill Returns for Ratification in the House?

Yours Sincerely

Rob. Northall
Member of the Shame of Ireland
Shame of Ireland can be found @ http://bit.ly/agjWv0


Michael O?Brien Spoke Out at the at the Abuse of Redress http://bit.ly/IZ0Cjw

If Redress was JUST there would be no Need for the Statutory Fund Bill?
Please STOP this Further Abuse, of Government imposing their Will on Survivors?

Ruari Quinn says that the Statutory Trust Fund was a Recommendation in the Ryan Report

This is simply NOT True http://bit.ly/OoRCXX

The Discussion was about "Further Reparation" for Survivors not for a Government Controlled Fund and Compensation for the Government http://bit.ly/Q9ySZn

 

I Got the Following Reply

 

Dear Rob,

Thank you for your email concerning the Statutory Fund Bill and I note your views on same.

As this is a Government sponsored Bill there will not be a free vote on the issue.

Emmet

 

May I remind you of Labours Pre Election Promise?

An email was sent to Michael Mc Loughlin of the Labour Party by Mr Albert King an extract appears Bellow

“As you may well appreciate victims of institutional child abuse know all about “being under a lot of time pressure” especially over the last 11 to 12 years dealing with the State and the Religious Orders including the Redress Board, the Ryan Commission, Solicitors, the Vaccine Trials, Education Finance Board, and many other departments in relation to “Survivors Concerns and Issues”.

 

1. However, are you are saying in your e-mail copied below that the Labour Party will revisit the Proposed Institutional Child Abuse Bill 2009 if the Labour Party is elected as the next Government?

 

2. If the Labour Party is elected will they revisit the Proposed Statutory Trust Fund because it’s quite clear that the majority of survivors are against it in its present form?

 

3. If the Labour Party is elected will they also revisit the many concerns and issues they have received over several years from survivors at home and abroad in relation to their complaints against the aforementioned bodies?”

 

His Response was “The answer to the 3 questions is Yes. Ruairi Quinn has done a lot of work in this area and our bill (Child Abuse Bill 2009), we believe, illustrates our continuing committment on the issue.”

 

I Trust that you will do fulfil Labours Pre Election Promise to Survivors and Vote Down or ABSTAIN From Voting on the Statutory Fund Bill

 

Rob

This Turned up in my Personal Email Account Last Night!
Nice to see someone Fighting our Corner!!
 
From: Sinead NiBhroin [mailto:Sinead.NiBhroin@Oireachtas.ie] On Behalf Of Mary Lou McDonald

Sent: 27 June 2012 08:27 PM
Subject: Residential Institutions Statutory Fund Bill, 2012

 

A chara,

Sinn Féin Education Spokesperson Seán Crowe TD today asked the Minister for Education and Skills if consideration has been given to using the database of survivors of residential abuse who applied for  compensation to the redress board as a way of directly consulting with them on the drafting of the Residential Institutions Statutory Fund Bill, 2012. I've copied the Minister's response below. We are deeply unhappy with the Ministers response and Deputy Crowe will again raise this matter directly with the Minister at tomorrows Committee Stage debate on the legislation. He has also submitted a number of substantial amendments to the Bill which reflect the conerns and issued raised with us by survivors.

Is mise le meas,

Mary Lou McDonald TD

For PRIORITY answer on Wednesday, 27th June, 2012.
Reference Number: 31185/12


Freagra


Minister Ruairí Quinn

My Department undertook a comprehensive consultation process on the proposed
Fund. Press advertisements invited views, which could be forwarded by post,
email or by a Freefone Service, which was operated by Barnardos.  Officials
also met with groups representing survivors of residential institutional abuse,
the congregations and a number of other interested parties.

Under existing legislation, it was not open to my Department to use the
database as outlined in the question.  The current Bill empowers the Redress
Board to provide awardees' names, addresses and dates of birth to the Statutory
Fund.  This will enable the Fund verify applicants' entitlements to apply.  
That is the only purpose for which the information can be used.  The Attorney
General's Office has advised that any direct unsolicited communication with
survivors could be open to challenge as it might encroach on their right to
privacy under the Constitution and the European Convention on Human Rights.



Mary Lou McDonald TD
Sinn Féin Deputy Leader
Spokesperson for Public Expenditure and Reform

Leinster House
Kildare Street
Dublin 2

Tel: +353 1 6183230
Email: marylou.mcdonald@oireachtas.ie
Web: www.sinnfein.ie

hello Rob and everybody else. i clicked on Rob's link expecting to come to the email in question but for some reason not sure which email here is the one?!  must be the effects of those British vaccines (UCD) ! 

“As you may well appreciate victims of institutional child abuse know all about “being under a lot of time pressure” especially over the last 11 to 12 years dealing with the State and the Religious Orders including the Redress Board, the Ryan Commission, Solicitors, the Vaccine Trials, Education Finance Board, and many other departments in relation to “Survivors Concerns and Issues”.

 

 

did you write the above Rob?

 

 

Sorry Jack only just noticed there was a Question Addressed to me. Albert King is the author of that statement.

You will find many interesting pieces reproduced on this site with Albert's Permission.

Sadly he does not wish to be part of this site which is our loss, and weakens the Cause?

there can be no peace in Ireland while there is injustice

If my memoy is working right the survay in guestion was sent to several survivers and the majority wanted a pension to be paid to survivers in order to allow them a easier life.

On Sunday I sent the following email to Every TD

The 2 Links at the bottom of the email have been deactivated as I am monitoring if any TD Clicks on them.

 

SAdly onl 1 Click to date?

 

 

 

From: Rob. Northall [mailto:rob.northall@ntlworld.com]
Sent: 15 July 2012 04:23 PM
To:
Subject: Only you can Prevent Future Trauma and Distress, and Put things Right?

Dear xxxx xxxxx TD,

It is widely documented that the Applying to the Redress Board was Confrontational, and Traumatic.

Most right minded People Agree the Survivors of the Magdalene Laundries and Bethany Home are long over due an Apology from those who Caused their Suffering?

They should also be entitled to Compensation?

If the Statutory Fund Bill becomes Law then Redress and the Statutory Fund Bill will become the Model for the Survivors of the Magdalene Laundries and Bethany Home.

To inflict this on More Elderly and Already Emotionally Traumatised people is wrong.

Redress was not Comparable with Payments mad in the High Courts, Judge Ryan recently awarded an IT Manager €50,000 “in relation to a breach of constitutional rights, negligence and breach of duty”.

Yet the Average Payment for loss of Childhood and Future Earning was €67,000!

This Bill wants to pay the Salaries and Future Pensions of Civil Servants; Yet Survivors get no Pension?

I emailed Emmet Stag and Paul Kehoe to ask that they allow a FREE Vote on the Statutory Fund Bill

Mr Stag Replied

Thank you for your email concerning the Statutory Fund Bill and I note your views on same.

As this is a Government sponsored Bill there will not be a free vote on the issue.

Mr Kehoe did not bother to reply?

I am asking that you do everything in your Power to STOP the Progress of this Bill by Voting against it or Abstaining from Voting?

Until at least the Issues Surrounding the Magdalene Laundries and the Bethany Home, are be Resolved?

All parties need to be brought back to the Table and Fair and Just Compensation for Survivors of the Industrial Schools, Magdalene Laundries and Bethany Homes be properly Legislated for?

You are the Politicians You are best placed to know how to bring Down a Bill?

Your Sincerely

Rob Northall

Admin @ Shame Of Ireland

John Kelly Irish SOCA Current Position Can be Read Here

Michael Walsh “Right of Place States Quite Clearly Our position regarding the Trust Fund has been to oppose it and demand that all monies be given to survivors as just and fair redress for all our suffering. Full stop. This was the views of all our members and all those who we sought a response from. (Click the Link to read More?)

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