Tracing Frosts from The Birds Nest, Smyly's

[Charlie]

Hello,

I am the granddaughter of a George Frost, born in 1937, sent to The Birds Nest in 1940. I am looking for anyone whom is related or remembers my grandad.

He had several siblings, also in the home. From what I've managed to find out there names were Charles Edward, Isobel and Joyce Frost.

If anyone has any information on them or the home during that time it would be greatly appreciated.

Many Thanks
Charlie

[Charlie]

*their names

[Brendan O'Donoghue]

Hi Charlie,

I am a probate genealogist, I will give you a hand with this case.

Father was Charles Frost mother Margaret Bennett/Nolan

They had a daughter Margaret M Frost born 1930, the birth was not registered until 1943.

Brendan

[jack colleton]

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[Kevin Devlin]

Hi,

My name is Kevin. I know that the ages are wrong, but I was in the Birds Nest from 1959 until I went to the boys home in 1965. I wish you well with your search. It was not the best place in the world, but I have some fond memories of the place and MR and Mrs Smith who were in charge.

[Brendan O'Donoghue]

Newspaper Archives: 10th July 1945

High Court, allowed an ex parte application on behalf of Mrs. Margaret Frost, Marlborough St., Dublin, for a conditional order of habeas corpus directed to the secretary and the trustees of Mrs. Smyly's Homes and Schools to produce her five children, Charles Victor, Edward, Isobel, George and Joyce.

In her affidavit, Mrs. Frost stated that she was married to Charles Frost, a member of the Church of Ireland, according to the rites of the Catholic Church, at St. Joseph's Church, Terenure, Dublin, on June 21, 1930. At the time of her marriage she was a Catholic and a widow.

Their married life had been unhappy because of differences about the upbringing of their children. Before the marriage, the affidavit continued, Charles Frost, who had been employed as a clerk by the Port and Docks Board, signed the usual undertaking to have the children brought up in the Catholic Faith; but . after a separation in 1940, he, contrary to a clause. in the separation agreement that the three children oi. whom he had been given custody should be placed in agreed schools, sent Charles Victor and Edward to the Bird's Nest, York Road. Dun _Laoghaire.

Shortly after the separation agreement had been executed, she found herself unable to maintain herself and the three younger children as well as _the children of her first marriage on the amount allowed to her, and agreed to her husband's taking them solely for their benefit

Subsequently her husband placed the children in the Bird's Nest, Dun Laoghaire, where'they still remained.

When she agreed, in the separation agreement, that the younger children should be brought up in the Faith of the Church of Ireland, she did so because her husband insisted on that provision, and she had had no alternative. Five of the children had been baptised in the Catholic Church and one in the Church of Ireland. After the children had been taken from her, she obtained work in England, and returned to Dublin last March, when she was informer© that her husband had died on March 22.

Mr. Justice _Hnng-h said that the father, by reason of the separation deed, had had certain rights; but, as he was now dead, the mother clearly was entitled to the conditional order.

Mr. Michael J. Ryan, S.C., with Mr. Thomas A. Doyle (instructed by Mr. James A. Connolb'), appeared for Mrs.

Frost.

[Brendan O'Donoghue]

1945 electronic text

MOTHER SEEKS CUSTODY OF HER FIVE CHILDREN

Mr. . Justice Haugh, in the Higr Court, Dublin, granted an' application made ex parte on behalf oi Mrs. Margaret Frost, widow, Marlboro" St., Dublin, for a conditional order of habeas corpus directed tc the secretary and trustees of Mrs. Smyly's Homes and Schools to produce her live children, Charles Victor, Edward, Isobel, George, and Joyce.

In" an affidavit, Mrs. Frost stated that she was married to Charles Frost, a Protestant, according to the rites of the Catholic Church, at St. Joseph's Church, Terenure, on June 21^. 1930. She was _a-Catholic. Their married life, she stated, was jnhappy owing to differences as to :he upbringing of their children. Before the marriage Mr. Frost, a _jlerk employed by the Port and Docks Board, signed the usual undertaking that the children would be brought .ip In the Catholic faith, but after i separation agreement in 194-0 he, ;ontrary to a clause in the agreement that the three eldest children. _3f whom he had been given custody, should be placed in agreed schools_, sent Charles Victor, and Edward to the Bird's Nest, York Road, Dun Laoghalre. The other child, Mary Margaret, with whom the application was not concerned, was placed in Domestlc services in Rathiarnham _ifter she hac 1 reached 14. When the boys were 10 they were placed in the Boys' Home, Lower Grand Canal St. SEPARATION AGREEMENT; Shortly after the" separation agreement had been executed, she founc herself unable to maintain herseli and the three youngest .children, a: welt as the children of her first marriage, on the amount allowed to hei (35/- a week). Her husband decllnec to increase the amount and statec that if she could not support theii three youngest children he woulc take them. She agreed to that _courss solely for the benefit of the children Subsequently her husband placed tht children in the Bird's Nest, Dur Laoghaire, where they still-remained When she agreed, in the separatlor agreement, that the younger chlldrer should be brought up in the faith jf the Church of Ireland she did sc because her husband insisted upor that provision, and. she had no alternative.

She was Informed that- her husband died suddenly on March 22 last.

Mr. Ryan, S.C_... and Mr. T. A' Doyle (Instructed by Mr. J. A Conn_^Uyi 'or Mrs. Frost.

[Kevin Devlin]

Hi,

This is not a reply to your comments above, but a cry for help.  I was in the Birds Nest and later Grand Canal Street.  My mother never told me who my real father was but I understand that he never met me, but my birth certificate shows that he was somebody who dies a few years ago now leaving his two other sons a considerable amount of money in Ireland.  I do not money, but I would like be to know for certain who really was my father.  I am 61 now, disabled later in life and survived hell in the care of Mrs Smyly's Homes and Schools.

Can you help me please.

Kevin Devlin

[Brendan O'Donoghue]

Hi Kevin,

Was your mothers name "Howes"?

Brendan

[Brendan O'Donoghue]

Are these your parents?

First name(s)

	William
Last name	Devlin
Registration year	1945
Registered Quarter/Year	Apr - Jun 1945
Registration district	Rathdrum
Volume	2
Page	341
MarriageFinder™	William Devlin married Ellen Howes
County	-
Country	Ireland
Record set	Irish Marriages 1845-1958
Category	Life Events (Birth, Marriage, Death)
Subcategory	Marriages & divorces
Collections from	Ireland

[Brendan O'Donoghue]

Hi Kevin,

	William H Devlin Ireland Civil Registration Indexes, 1845-1958	October 1946 / December 1946 Rathdrum, Ireland	Howes
Patrick Devlin		April 1951 / June 1951 Rathdrum, Ireland Kevin Devlin Ireland Civil Registration Indexes, 1845-1958 1955 Dublin South, Ireland Howes	Howes

[Nicholas Devlin]

Hello Brendan

just trying to add to the above info

before William H Devlin was a child Fredrick Devlin

after William were two more Noel and Charles

then Patrick

after this I belive was Kevin then possiably a Girl unknown

then Robert and Anthony 

all of which were placed in homes at some point in their life