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Pope Abuses Victims’ of Child Sex Abuse at Christmas

Below is a copy of an email that I have sent to the Media today

Pope Abuses Victims’ of Child Sex Abuse

Initial Source - Pope Abuses Victims’ of Child Sex Abuse at Christmas

In his traditional Christmas address on the 20th December to cardinals and officials working in Rome, Pope Benedict XVI also claimed that child pornography was increasingly
considered “normal” by society.

“In the 1970s, paedophilia was theorised as something fully in conformity with man and even with children,” the Pope said. “It was maintained — even within the realm of Catholic theology — that there is
no such thing as evil in itself or good in itself. There is only a ‘better
than’ and a ‘worse than’. Nothing is good or bad in itself.”

The Defining of paedophilia as being fully in conformity with man and even with children,” means that under Cannon Law it is not a Sin.

What is Sin

“Those sins are judged to be mortal which contain in themselves some grave disorder in regard to God, our neighbour, ourselves, or society. Some sins admit of no lightness of matter, as for example, blasphemy, hatred of
God; they are always mortal (ex toto genere suo), unless rendered
venial by want of full advertence on the part of the intellect or full consent
on the part of the will. Other sins admit lightness of matter: they are grave
sins (ex genere suo) in as much as their matter in itself is
sufficient to constitute a grave sin without the addition of any other matter,
but is of such a nature that in a given case, owing to its smallness, the sin
may be venial, e.g. theft.”

A Mere Puff

Christmas is a particularly difficult time for Survivors especially for those in the Irish Industrial Schools System where it was just as brutal as any other day, celebrated by possibly a new Toothbrush and an Orange, the smell of which
would herald the coming of the Day. Birthday where also unknown and went by
without knowledge or Celebration.


 The Pope is a Highly Educated man and must surely be aware of the effect of this statement; classifying Paedophilia Lower than “Theft”; it renders his Easter Apology for
what is was “a mere puff”!



Shame Of Ireland – “Democracy, Inclusion and Transparency” for Survivors of the Irish Industrial School System; Their Families and Friends @


WE are the Shame of Ireland because the Government and Religious are Ashamed of US! They are the ones that should be ASHAMED!

We wear our Badge with Pride!!


There are Petitions that directly affect the Survivors I hope you feel that you can Sign and ask your Friends to sign them?

 Petition the United Nations to define the systemic sexual abuse of children as "Crimes Against Humanity" @










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Comment by Rob Northall on January 3, 2011 at 2:37

Sent this note with the above email


Dear Richard, 

I emailed you about Legal Representation for Members of the Shame of Ireland and had no reply???


I hope you will consider the request?


Wishing you a Happy New Year!


Rob Northall

and got the following reply

Dear Robert

Happy new year to you too and I'm sorry about not responding - I'm afraid the last couple of months have been very busy with trials.

Unfortunately because southern ireland is a distinct jurisdiction from england, I suspect I may not be able to advise you
but I'm very happy to talk it over - can we speak next tues (4th jan)? What
number should I call you on?


I Will keep you updated!!


Comment by Rob Northall on January 3, 2011 at 2:39

Will get in touch with this tomorrow


Richards Scorer and the People at the Barprobono. are of the opinion that this has to dealt with through the Irish Legal Process and if this fails can be taken to Europe!

Richard also suggested that I contact; which I have sent the email that follows this posting to.


This is going to be a tough one and a long road!!

Comment by Rob Northall on January 12, 2011 at 11:36

From: RebeccaHeald [] On Behalf Of Bar Pro Bono UnitEnquiries
Sent: 04 January 2011 14:05
To: Robert Northall
Subject: RE: Enquiry from Bar Pro Bono Unit Website


Dear Rob,


I am afraid we do not have direct links/contacts with the IrishBar Council. However these addresses may be of use to you for initialenquiries:


Bar Council Administration Office
Four Courts
Dublin 7

Tel: +353 1 817 5000
Fax: +353 1 817 5150

Dublin International Arbitration Centre
Distillery Building
145-151 Church Street
Dublin 7

Tel: +353 1 817 4663
Fax: +353 1 817 4901



Comment by Rob Northall on January 12, 2011 at 11:42

From: RobertNorthall []
Sent: 12 January 2011 11:40
To: ''
Subject: Can you help Survivors get the Justice they Deserve


I write not for myself but for my wife and14,000 others who need to see Justice done! I believe now you understand mytrepidation!

The Survivors of the Industrial SchoolSystem!

In understand that you are very busy and will assume that youknow some of the background?

After the Publication of the Ryan Report the Irish Governmentrevisited the Indemnity Deal 2002 made between themselves and The CongregationsOf Religious Ireland Demanding More than the Agreed 128 Million Euros; circa650 Million Euros; The Government also promised to investigate the “TotalAssets” (including Overseas) of C.O.R.I. which they failed to do?

Which C.O.R.I. Publicly announced as “Extra Compensation” TheGovernment has seen this as “compensation” to the Government (their Justificationis the “Redress Board”) and is to establish a ”Statutory Fund” that survivorscan apply to; this is untenable as Survivors should not have to go cap in handto their abusers in times of need!

The Statutory Fund becomes” Law” soon!

We need your help to stop this!

The original Indemnity Deal was negotiated in secret and wasnever debated in the Irish Parliament; and was announced after a year!

It stops Child Sex Abusers from being Prosecuted! Named orbeing Tracked!

It was I believe unconstitutional under Clause 44.2.2 of theConstitution, states quite clearly that “the State guarantees not to endow anyreligion”. The Following Clause also States clearly that the State shall notdiscriminate against any Religion; Discrimination can be Positive as well asNegative!

Originally Restricted the financial Liability of C.O.R.I. to128 Million Euros!

The finances of C.O.R.I. and the Holy See are inextricablylinked!

The State has already revisited this and it needs to beRevisited or Repealed!

The Irish Government established the “Redress Board” in itsown words” to pay compensation on a par with the High Court”

The Redress Board instead of paying out Compensation; becameprotectors of the “Public Purse”.

The Irish Government now want compensating for the money theypaid out averaging 69,000 Euros per individual; this is not comparable withawards in the High Court!

Why we are all so aggrieved is that the Government put theCart before the Horse; i.e. the Redress Board and the Indemnity Deal before theRyan Report

The Papal nuncio and others used the “Diplomatic Immunity” ofthe “Holy See” to withhold documents from the Commission into Child Abuse (RyanReport).

It has just been made public that the Irish Government ALLOWEDDRUG TRIALS to be carried out on CHILDREN in STATE CHILDREN HOMES with theConsent of the Religious Orders who received payments for this ABUSE!!

GlaxoSmithKline are responsible for this!

Two of the Doctors involved in these trials went to court sothat there name could not be revealed and the Commission into Child Abusestopped the investigation!

This is the same formula that the Christian Brothers used inthe Indemnity Deal between C.O.R.I. and the Irish Government!

I am concerned unless this is brought to the attention of theworld by the media that G.S.K. will be brokering a similar secret deal!!

As I stated earlier I do not write on my own behalf but mywife and the other Survivors!

We do not have any money; Many Survivors are elderly; many areliving on State Benefits; However C.O.R.I. have 500 million (I believe“dollars”) and G.S.K. even more?

Would you consider taking a class action on behalf of thesepeople; to what ever court to ensure that they feel “Justice” to be done?

My wife suffers from Complex Post Traumatic Stress Disorder,Anxiety, Agoraphobia, and Depression; my relentless pursuit of this cause iscause her some degree of distress and if I cannot make progress will have tostop; This will mean that many who are less able will be let down?

If you can spare a further few minutes I urge you to watch

Yours Sincerely

Robert Northall

If you need any more information my telephone number is 01792600 xxx

I have written a letter to Brian Cowen (and many emails) whichremain unanswered; as does all Survivor Correspondence? 

Shame Of Ireland– “Democracy, Inclusion and Transparency” for Survivors of the Irish IndustrialSchool System; Their Families and Friends @

After Reading this  inDáil debates - Thursday, 11 June 2009
“Eitherofficials in the Department are members of secret societies such as the Knightsof St. Columbanus and Opus Dei and have taken it upon themselves to protect theinterests of these clerical orders at this point in time in this year of 2009or, alternatively, the Minister is politically incompetent and incapable ofmanaging the Department of Education and Science” 

“I do not believe the Minister, Deputy O’Keeffe, is a bad man. I do notbelieve he is a Catholic right-wing secret obscurantist but many of the peopleworking for him on a permanent salary – he will be gone in a couple of years –most certainly are or else they are incompetent, lazy and destructive.”

There will be no Justice for Survivors through the Irish Parliament orJudicial Process!!!!


I have also sent this to -


Comment by Rob Northall on January 12, 2011 at 16:08

From: LornaHeselton []
Sent: 12 January 2011 14:25
Subject: Your LawWorks Enquiry


Dear Mr Northall,


Thank you for your enquiry to LawWorks.  I am sorry tohear of the difficulties you and your wife have been having with thismatter.  Unfortunately LawWorks volunteers are only able to deal withmatters in the jurisdiction of England and Wales.  You may be able to seekassistance from one of the following organisations: – PublicInterest Law Alliance in Ireland – FreeLegal Advice Centres


Yours sincerely


Lorna Heselton



Individual Casework

Tel: 0207092 3951 


LawWorksis the registered operating name of the Solicitors Pro Bono Group 

RegisteredCharity number:  1064274 

CompanyLimited by Guarantee number:  3410932 

Correspondenceaddress:  LawWorks, National Pro Bono Centre, 48 Chancery Lane, LondonWC2A 1JF 

RegisteredOffice:  1st Floor, Pellipar House, 9 Cloak Lane, London EC4R 2RU 

Comment by Rob Northall on January 12, 2011 at 16:15

I have sent the above request to


The Free Legal Advice Centres have to be attended in Person Their details can be found @

Would any Members in the Republic like to meet up and approach them??

Comment by Andrew Brennan on January 23, 2011 at 12:59

There's an interesting argument in Bruce Arnold's 'The Irish Gulag' - that runs through every chapter really - that everything that made the Ryan Report possible was all a sham - concocted to protect the State and the Church. 


A person - outside the legal profession in Ireland - wouldn't have a problem agreeing with that thesis - we need someone from the legal profession on our side.  I'd love to have a face to face meeting with Justice Mary Laffoy .


Here's her resignation letter:(It's her last line that intrigues me as most of what she writes was expounded in the media at the time and since)


I am the Chairperson of the Commission to Inquire into Child Abuse, appointed by the Government pursuant to section 6 of the Commission to Inquire into Child Abuse Act, 2000. In that capacity, I request that you put this letter before the Government.


I refer to a Press release of 1st September 2003 from the Department of Education and Science announcing the decision of the Government to engage in a second phase of a review relating to the Commission. The Commission responded to that announcement in a statement posted on the Commission’s website today. It its statement, the commission explained that, for legal, practical and financial reasons, it is effectively constrained to put the substantive work of the Investigation Committee (the gathering and assessment of evidence) on hold pending the announcement of the results of the review. The Commission also announced its intention to issue and Interim Report in November of 2003.


This prolongation of the duration of the Government review is merely the latest in a series of events which have, since the inception of the statutory Commission over three years ago, impeded the completion by the Commission of its statutory mandate as set out in the Act of 2000 in a timely fashion. A range of factors over which the Commission has had no control have together produced a real and pervasive sense of powerlessness. In retrospect, it appears to me that since its establishment, the Commission has never been properly enabled by the Government to fulfil satisfactorily the functions conferred on it by the Oireachtas.


The factors which have brought about this situation include the following:
(1) the issue of compensation for survivors of abuse, first raised in July 2000 by a group of solicitors acting for a substantial number of survivors, which was eventually dealt with in the Residential Institutions Redress Act 2002, which was enacted in April 2002;
(2) on the issue of the payment of legal costs of persons involved in the process of the Investigation Committee, first raised by solicitors on behalf of persons making allegations and solicitors on behalf of persons and bodies against whom allegations were made as early as July 2000, which also was eventually dealt with in the Act of 2002;
(3) the Government’s handling of requests for the provision of adequate resources to enable the Investigation Committee to carry out its remit with reasonable expedition, when the volume of allegations which were the subject of formal statements to the Investigation Committee became known, which requests commenced in early June 2002;
(4) the Government decision of 3 December, 2002 to review the Commission’s mandate, which was to be completed by mid-February, 2003, the outcome of which review has not been published yet; and,
(5) the Government decision of 3 December, 2002, to agree in principle to the provision of additional resources as requested, which in the events has proved meaningless, because it was made contingent on the outcome of the review, which still has not been published.


As Chairperson of the Commission I have always recognised that the foregoing matters and their resolution were matters of policy for the Government and that my role was to preserve intact the process put in place by the Oireachtas in the Act of 2002. However, I believe that the cumulative effect of those factors, each of which has been characterised by long periods of uncertainty for the Commission, has effectively negatived the guarantee of independence in the performance of its functions conferred on the Commission by section 3(3) of the Act of 2000 and has militated against the Commission being able to perform its statutory functions as envisaged by the Oireachtas with reasonable expedition.


Recent events, the communication to the Commission of t July 2003 of a Government decision that there is to be a further phase of the review of the Commission’s mandate and the publication of information in relation to that decision in the Press Release yesterday, have compounded the sense of powerlessness. On the basis of current knowledge, it is not possible – (a) to deduce the nature of the functions which are likely to be conferred on the Commission post review, save that they will be substantially different from its current functions.

(b) to predict whether, as current Chairperson, I might be precluded from continued participation in the work of the Investigation Committee post review on account of involvement in the work of the Investigation Committee to date, or (c) to predict the duration of the review, which is open-ended.


As has been pointed out in recent correspondence from the Commission to the Department of Education and Science, the only clear inference to be drawn from the recent communications from the Department to the Commission is that the Government has decided that the Commission will not implement its current statutory mandate. The Government having chosen not to adopt the suggestion made by the Commission immediately following the communication to it of the decision of the 3 December 2002 – that legislation be enacted to enable the Investigation Committee to suspend the operation of its current procedure pending completion of the review and the enactment of any necessary legislation to give effect to the outcome of the review – the Commission has been faced with the following fundamental difficulties.


From a formal legal point of view, the Commission is still fixed with an unqualified mandate from the Oireachtas as sent out in the Act of 2000, as amended by the Act of 2000. From a practical point of view, however, although the statutory mandate remains unqualified, all participations in the process (persons making allegations and persons and bodies against whom allegations have been made), the members of the Commission and Commission personnel are now aware from Government announcements that the Commission’s mandate is to be altered and that the Commission will end up working and reporting to a mandate potentially radically differently from that currently in force. If follows that the procedures under which the Commission has operated and the investigations which it has conducted up to now may transpire to be redundant or incorrectly focused in the light of some future, but as yet unknown, mandate.


That these uncertainties would impact on the Commissions work in many respects, legal, practical and financial, has been brought to the attention of the Department since the decision to radically alter the Commission’s mandate was communicated to the Commission on the 4 July last. The current mandate, while still on the statute book, has, in effect, become inoperable and the Commission has in a practical sense been rendered powerless. It is clearly not possible to predict which parts of its existing functions and powers will survive the review.


The consequence of the most recent decision of the Government is that an independent statutory Commission has been put in the position that it has had to decide, following legal advise, that it cannot continue to engage in the work which it considers it should be engaged in to advance its mandate and, further, of having to publish that decision. The public now knows that the Commission is, in effect, stymied in relation to its statutory function, albeit with a proposal in the background that at some indeterminate date in the future alternative functions are to be conferred on it by statute.


Following the announcement of the Governments review last December and having been advised by the Department that the Investigation Committee should continue to operate in accordance its existing mandate, I, in conjunction with my colleagues, consulted with the Attorney General, who led the review, in the belief, in the short term, it would bring about a situation in which the Commission would be in a position to discharge its remit in a speedier, more effective and cost effective manner. I had hoped that the outcome of the review and any legislation necessary to give effect to it would have been published around Easter last. Instead, the process had already dragged on for seven months by the time the Commission was notified of the most recent Government decision. I have come to the conclusion to abide, without protest, the outcome of the future radical review now proposed, whenever it may be concluded, would be a complete abrogation or the independence which the Oireachtas intended the Commission to enjoy and would seriously undermine my credibility as Chairperson of the Commission.


On the 29 November 2002, in a response to a request from the Department of Education and Science, to justify the Commissions request for sufficient resources to enable the Investigation Committee to work in four divisions with the objective of completing Phase 1 of its work by the end of July, 2005, on behalf of the Commission, I stated as follows:

“Apart from the possible legal consequences of the fulfilment of the Investigation Committees remit being unduly protracted, it is not in the interests of any of the parties involved in the process that the Investigation Committee should not be in a position to complete Phase 1 of its work within a reasonable timeframe. Of particular concern are the following considerations:

· the need to bring to bring closure to bring closure for the Complainants and for other victims of abuse in childhood, many of whom are old and in bad health.

· the avoidance of unfairness to individuals against whom allegations have been made, which may not stand up following investigation. Many of the individual respondents are very old. Some are in bad health. It may be that in certain cases, the end of their lives are being unfairly blighted by the stress of a prolonged investigation. Issues of fairness also arise in relation to individuals against whom allegations have been made, who are still of working age, whose capacity to work in institutions may be affected.”


The Government’s decision to review the mandate was made the following week. Nine months have elapsed since then, during which time I have repeatedly reminded the Department of my concern for the persons concerned by he process. I believe that the further indefinite protraction of the uncertainty as to the task which the Commission will ultimately be mandated to carry out announced in the Press Release is detrimental to the interests of the persons for whose benefit the Commission was established – the men and women, many of whom are now elderly, who allege that they suffer abuse in institutions in the State during childhood, who, at not inconsiderable cost, have indicated a willingness to assist the inquiry. They deserve to see the inquiry, which they were promised over four years ago, concluded within a reasonable timeframe. More-over, I believe that the inevitable future delay has the potential to give rise to unfairness and injustice to individuals against whom allegations have been made and persons with management or regulatory responsibility for institutions in which abuse is alleged to have occurred. They are entitled to expect that such allegations will be dealt with within a reasonable timeframe.


It is with great regret that I now notify the Government that I have decided to resign chairmanship of the Commission as soon as the Interim Report on the work of the Commission under its current mandate, announced in the Commissions statement is published. This report will account for the Commissions work to date and hopefully it will be of assistance to whoever takes up this work under the revised mandate. It will also outline in detail the factual circumstances which have given rise to the members of the Commission being in the wholly invidious situation in which they now find themselves. My principle reason for resolving on this course is because the Commission has, in effect, being rendered powerless by reason of the matters set out above. As subsidiary consideration which has weighted with me in reaching the decision is that there appears to be some risk that a Commission which works first to a mandate, and then to a substantially different mandate, would leave itself open to legal challenge on the ground that, in the course of exercising its first mandate, it obtained information or formed impressions which would effect its capacity to exercise the second mandate with a fully open mind. While, on the basis of independent legal advice which I have obtained, I believe that this risk is a slight one, nonetheless, even a slight risk maybe unacceptable in a matter of this importance.


The extensive correspondence between the Commission and the Department sets out in greater detail the issues dealt with in this letter. For convenience of reference, I am appending copies of the Departments Press Release, the Commissions statements, the correspondence in December 2002 referred to earlier and the letter dated 4 July 2003 and subsequent correspondence between the Commission and the Department, as listed in the attached schedule.


A statement of my intention to resign will be posted on the Commissions website today, which will indicate that the reasons for my decision are set out in a letter to the Government.


Finally, the Government may be assured that, in relation to my departure from the Commission, I will take all necessary steps to ensure that the public interest is protected.


Yours sincerely


Mary Laffoy (signed)

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Well Mary has the 'public interest' being protected? - if so, what of victims' interests - have victims being protected? 




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