What The Survivor Word Really Means

[jack colleton]

Yesterday After Being Told By My Caranua Advisor (3rd Call Ever With Them) That Caranua Has Refused My Request For Assistance With Essential Repairs To My House In Ireland Because I Reside In England Having Fled To Here After 18 Years Of Suffering The Effects Of Abduction, Imprisonment, Sex Abuse, Assaults, Denied Adoption (Not Even A Foster Home), Torture And Being Drugged By A Scientist Etc. I Was Browsing Online Reviewing The History Of The State Child Abuse Inquiry, So Called Apology, Deal Done With The Church (Hand In Glove Fiddle) And Grave Insult To All The Countless Victims Ever Since Then ...

I Came Across A Comment By A Victim Who Said Something That Caught My Attention And It Was Along These Lines He Said : -

"I Am Not A Survivor"  Because I Am Still Suffering Today The Ill Effects Of My Incarceration In An Industrial School And The Abuses I Suffered In There"  ..

[Elizabeth Dormer]

Jack,  I am sorry you amongst others have to go through this. Don't be defeated by them, sending big hugs x

Lizzie x

[jack colleton]

Thanks Lizzie!

[micheal]

Ya the term survivor can be misleading,  i feel ur pain bro.

[William Delahunty]

So sorry to hear that Jack but what can we expect from a government and a Church out of control You are a survivor chin up and keep fighting

[Kevin Devlin]

Jack, I feel your pain but if might share this with you and others? In the past I and many others like me I suspect, have used repeated failure as an excuse to give up on something we desperately need like in your case, help from Caranua. It then sometimes encourages us to become bitter, and cynical. It can then seem reasonable and easier to stop trying, or to take an easier approach by saying, ”Well I’ve tried with CARANUA, but they didn’t understand what I desperately needed before turning down my application”. The combination of the ‘abuse’ we received in our various institutions, coupled with the continued mistreatment we perceive we are enduring at the hands of people and organisations like Caranua, as well as our own particular nightmares, all of which can lead us to seek comfort in a variety of ways; all of which have been, or will become failures.

If we are to survive, and we will, and to get what we truly deserve, it is important (for me anyhow) to look at failure as an opportunity to revisit past decisions and to devise new strategies for our next application to Caranua or whoever.

[Kevin Devlin]

Jack, I feel your pain but if might share this with you and others? In the past I and many others like me I suspect, have used repeated failure as an excuse to give up on something we desperately need like in your case, help from Caranua. It then sometimes encourages us to become bitter, and cynical. It can then seem reasonable and easier to stop trying, or to take an easier approach by saying, ”Well I’ve tried with CARANUA, but they didn’t understand what I desperately needed before turning down my application”. The combination of the ‘abuse’ we received in our various institutions, coupled with the continued mistreatment we perceive we are enduring at the hands of people and organisations like Caranua, as well as our own particular nightmares, all of which can lead us to seek comfort in a variety of ways; all of which have been, or will become failures.

If we are to survive, and we will, and to get what we truly deserve, it is important (for me anyhow) to look at failure as an opportunity to revisit past decisions and to devise new strategies for our next application to Caranua or whoever.

[jack colleton]

Michael :  - Yes That Was Exactly What I Was Pondering  ... How Words Can Be Coined To Mislead And minimize etc.  Perhaps Suffice To Add We May Be Survivors But Still Being Abused.

[jack colleton]

Thanks William: 

 

Had To Write My Response Again Because Just Towards The End Of My Original Response The System Decided To Go Weird And I Lost My Almost Completed Reply! Something Made Me Copy Just In Case And I Had Copied Most Of It Just Before It Vanished .... Then Found I Was Unable To Paste. One Thing For The System To Claim It Needs To Refresh Itself But To Be Then Unable Paste After Copying When Sensed Something Going Down? So  I Am Writing This Now In Email Form And Will Only Paste To The Board When Done!

 

Yes Indeed Church And Government Out Of Control ... Typical Abuser Profile

 

 

For Sometime I Have Been Reading Members Messages Here On A Varity Of Subjects Including The Redress Board And Caranua.  I Have Appreciated The Fact That Although The Majority Of Messages About The Redress Board And Caranua Were Not At All Positive, Encouraging Or Hopeful Members Who Came After Could Hopefully Still Benefit From The Reported Experience Of Others. The Benefits For Those Who Come After Us. There Was The Personal Experience Factor And I Naturally Hoped Mine Would Be Not So Bad! Firstly They Demand Proof Of Who You Are (ID / Fraud Detection).  I Had No Photographic ID. No Passport. No Driving Licence. I Had Two Other Birth Dates Before Seeing A Copy Of My Birth Cert. God Knows Which Date Is Correct. I Had Another Surname Before Discovering My Real Surname!  Our Abductors And Abusers (Irish State / Church / Government / Political Parties Endorsed)  Ritually Screwed Us In All Ways Including Issuing Us With False ID (Names And Birth Dates).  How Could We Be "Found"  In The System?  Not Legitimate. Nor An Orphan As Falsely Led To Believe. Nor Adopted. Not Even Fostered. The False ID A Criminal Deception And Cold Dead End Trail  ...

 

Then If They Do Admit You Exist They Force You To Pay To See Them!  Even If You Are On State Benefits Because Of The Years They Spent Abusing You.  I Had Read Some Members Comments Saying They Were Left Out Of Pocket After Their Redress Board Experience. I Now Know From Personal Experience What They Meant. The Truth Of Their Claims. I Too Was Left Out Of Pocket After My Redress Board Experience. They Solicit All Sorts Of Information About You As You Attempt To Get Redress (Justice) From They Who Ruined Your Life. They Who Disappeared Your Records (Health And Education Etc). They In Cohoots With The Drug Companies Who Smashed Your Head To Pieces And Tortured You. Left You In Pain For Life. They Are Still Getting Information By Devious Means To Use Against You. Too Many Law Firms In Ireland Insult The Word Justice. They Are Affront To The Word Justice. Way Too Many People In Ireland Are In Conspiracy To Prevent The Victims Of Irish State Child Abuse From Ever Getting Justice In This Life. Well There Will Not Be Any Peace In Ireland Without Justice Ever. Never. Time Is Now All Of Ireland Finally Understands That And Extend A Hand To All Survivors Of Irish State ( Church) Child Abuse.

[jack colleton]

There Is Never A Crowd On The Leading Edge  ..........

[jack colleton]

Thank You Kevin.  Yes Indeed. Onwards And Upwards.  For Sure.  Absolutely.  Indeed.  Agreed.